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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Gender reveal part for 8 yr old

122 replies

mumda · 15/07/2022 11:40

metro.co.uk/2022/07/15/family-throw-gender-reveal-party-for-eight-year-old-trans-daughter-17004610/
‘We always knew she was a little different, when she was little as she was always friends with girls and played with Frozen toys.
‘I have two other children, Ella’s brothers, two cisgender boys who play rough but Ella never wanted to join in.

"I thought it might just be a phase."
Nikki decided to set up a social media page to share Ella’s transition journey.
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So only girls can be friends with girls and play with Frozen toys? Is Frozen only for girls?

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RadFemApparently · 15/07/2022 13:53

Does anyone wonder, particularly in this case, if the parents had three boys but secretly wanted a girl?

StClare101 · 15/07/2022 13:54

Pluvia · 15/07/2022 12:39

Sexist parents now convinced they're progressive and not the narrow-minded bigots of old.

Exactly this!

GrimDamnFanjo · 15/07/2022 13:57

Sadly I'm assuming they are being moulded into the girl the mother had wanted.

KittenKong · 15/07/2022 13:57

Two older (?) brothers who liked ‘rough play’. Baby brother, protective mum ‘don’t bump the baby!’ ‘Stop fighting you two - go to your rooms! .

Baby gets special time with mummy, other two get told off for scaring the cat, getting muddy, getting onto scraps with next doors kid, chasing the dog, trampling the flower beds, breaking grams vase… baby gets treats and told how good they are for being gentle, quiet, clean…

it’s not rocket science.

just let kids be. Don’t tell them things that aren’t true.

ScrollingLeaves · 15/07/2022 14:01

Mascia Today 13:42
I also wonder if in some cases it is just an attempt to explain/ categorize people who are same sex attracted.

I think this is very much the case. A proportion of gender non conforming children grow up to be gay, and the others, if they are left alone, grow up to accept their sex and live perfectly normally.

It is of real concern that these children end up being misinterpreted and either ‘the gay transed away’, or a phase like being a tomboy recast as trans.

(The interim Cass report particularly pointed out that ‘affirming’ children is not neutral.)

This video is about the gay aspect.

Luxa · 15/07/2022 14:01

When he was little, he was always friends with girls and played with Frozen toys. His two brothers like to 'play rough' but he preferred not to join in.

So, 3 normal little boys then.

Clementinecerise · 15/07/2022 14:07

This makes me very angry and sad, that stupid, sexist, attention seeking parents can lie to their child that he is a girl and be cheered on by the establishment for fucking this poor boy up completely. Absolutely awful. Our ds loved Frozen and dresses. It didn’t make him a girl.

As someone said, no coincidence that this pair of idiots already had two sons.

Poor little boy. I hope there are some sensible people in his life there to pick up the pieces in the likely event that he realises he’s a boy after all. Hopefully it won’t be too late and that happens before he goes down the path of being mutilated and sterilised with developmental retardant drugs.

Folklore9074 · 15/07/2022 14:08

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Wow. The transphobes are out in force today! Why should people hide it?

Not sure I agree with a gender reveal for 8 year old but everyone is entitled to their identity. Live and let live.

MsMarvellous · 15/07/2022 14:11

@Folklore9074 the point is "trans" is an adult concept and a child should not be told that they are "in the wrong body" or that they can "change sex". Both are lies.

EfEfEf · 15/07/2022 14:15

My son, when he was around 2-4 loved frozen and princesses. We used to borrow books about princesses and read them at bedtime. He also had a frozen dress and another yellow princess dress, and I used to put 'let it go' on, and we'd sing and dance to it together. I was never worried or confused. Now he's a very boisterous 9 year old who loves football, riding his bike, wrestling etc. So sad little kids need to be labelled as something. Let them be, grow and figure it all out themselves!

EdgeOfACoin · 15/07/2022 14:21

Not sure I agree with a gender reveal for 8 year old but everyone is entitled to their identity. Live and let live.

Live and let live is fine. Live and let live is what we are advocating!

But don't let girls think they are boys if they prefer trucks to dolls, or boys think they are girls if they don't enjoy 'rough and tumble' play.

EnSextant · 15/07/2022 14:25

RedRec · 15/07/2022 12:58

Reads like something from the Daily Mash. Even down to the parents' names.

Exactly what I was thinking!

KittenKong · 15/07/2022 14:26

When my sister was little she was obsessed with furs - and I mean the type that your great aunt would wear around her shoulders at weddings.

Somehow she managed to get a small collection of rabid-looking fox, mink and probably cat stoles and would chase the neighbourhood kid with them. She was beside herself with joy when she found one hanging out of a neighbours dustbin.

the moral of this story - kids are odd, they have personalities of their own and can be rather ‘quirky’. My sister wasn’t a 70year old lady called Senga. Mum didn’t dye her hair grey and get her brushed cotton flannelette nighties. She shrugged, apologised the the other parents and said ‘that’s my littlekong’.

FrancescaContini · 15/07/2022 14:27

Whatsnewpussyhat · 15/07/2022 12:03

‘We wanted to ensure what we were doing wasn’t harmful or damaging

🙄

😩

Dancingwithhyenas · 15/07/2022 14:28

I find this so problematic. I have boys. They have no need to transition to being a girl to be friends with girls or like frozen (which they all do!).

Farmhouse1234 · 15/07/2022 14:29

Not surprised. Heard about a 5 year old who ‘changed sex’ the other day. Wanted advice on how to explain to other children in class how this was possible.

ScrollingLeaves · 15/07/2022 14:31

KittenKong · Today 14:26
When my sister was little she was obsessed with furs - and I mean the type that your great aunt would wear around her shoulders at weddings.

Somehow she managed to get a small collection of rabid-looking fox, mink and probably cat stoles and would chase the neighbourhood kid with them. She was beside herself with joy when she found one hanging out of a neighbours dustbin.😂😂

CallOnMe · 15/07/2022 14:33

Nikki decided to set up a social media page to share Ella’s transition journey

This says it all about the parents! I say again, poor poor child. :(

I completely agree!!

I’m glad my parents weren’t attention seekers like this as I was the least feminine child ever.
I still like stereotypical male things but I am 100% female and wouldn’t identify as anything else.

This is going backwards - your gender isn’t based on what TV character you like the most FFS!!

SheepingStandingUp · 15/07/2022 14:36

KittenKong · 15/07/2022 12:18

Where I work there is a nursery. The boys do like a fairy princess dress and one was stomping around a little while ago announcing that he had a baby in his tummy.

kids can be odd. They are quirky and imaginative. They are funny and sometimes downright weird.

My seven year old SON regularly gives birth to his toys. I'm more annoyed he says PING and pulls it out given he was a traumatic emergency C Sec.

He also has long hair and owns a Princess Poppy dress.

I wonder what some people would assume that means about him 🤔

Sooverthisnow · 15/07/2022 14:40

I must be male then. At that age I was playing with train sets , Lego and Mechano and most of my friends were boys.
I’m a woman who loves science and is fascinated with how things work. I’m not on the spectrum either. Have I been getting it wrong all these years?

lapasion · 15/07/2022 14:44

Nikki decided to set up a social media page to share Ella’s transition journey

Oh what a big surprise.

RufusthefIoraImissingreindeer · 15/07/2022 14:44

Luxa · 15/07/2022 14:01

When he was little, he was always friends with girls and played with Frozen toys. His two brothers like to 'play rough' but he preferred not to join in.

So, 3 normal little boys then.

It's exactly like ds1

He said to me a year or so ago that he was very pleaded that this wasn't around when he was 12/13/14, or even younger, because he would have thought he was a girl

Pleasecreateausername · 15/07/2022 14:49

I'm confused 😭 and genuinely want to understand. I thought the world was moving towards gender fluidity. Why does it seem that gender is only fixed for those who change their genders? You can't get more fixed in terms of mindset surrounding gender than a gender reveal party.

IamAporcupine · 15/07/2022 14:50

@Folklore9074
Not sure I agree with a gender reveal for 8 year old but everyone is entitled to their identity. Live and let live.

What does 'identity' mean in this sentence? And how is it different from personality?

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 15/07/2022 14:51

This is child abuse. There's no other way to dress it up. Can we make a safeguarding referral?

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