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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Gender reveal part for 8 yr old

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mumda · 15/07/2022 11:40

metro.co.uk/2022/07/15/family-throw-gender-reveal-party-for-eight-year-old-trans-daughter-17004610/
‘We always knew she was a little different, when she was little as she was always friends with girls and played with Frozen toys.
‘I have two other children, Ella’s brothers, two cisgender boys who play rough but Ella never wanted to join in.

"I thought it might just be a phase."
Nikki decided to set up a social media page to share Ella’s transition journey.
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So only girls can be friends with girls and play with Frozen toys? Is Frozen only for girls?

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KittenKong · 15/07/2022 14:56

Surely there’s no ‘reveal’ to be had of the kid has been dressing up in dresses, calling themselves Ella and ‘doing girl stuff’.

This event is just to announce that they have decided that this kids is a girl? What do they yell as the balloons/streamers/ doves are released? Is it like a baby sex announcement party?

i did see one video of a ‘gender reveal’ for a teenager - they came crawling out of a sleeping bag with mommy announcing ‘it’s a girl!!!!!!’. Ot wasn’t a joke either.

oh I can imagine my siblings... There would have been No Mercy. Kids call it as they see it.

Misstache · 15/07/2022 14:59

I feel bad for the other two boys. This part:

“Grade one was confusing as some peers were saying she wasn’t a girl,’ Nikki said. ‘However, we chose to move Ella and the rest of our kids.

‘Ella’s new school was a perfect place for her to explore who herself further and her teachers have been so supportive too. She has a great group of friends around her as well.”

So the other two boys (who are talked about in this article as just a monolith afterthought, who don’t get separate personalities or needs because they’re just the boring “cis boys”) have to get moved around and uprooted for the golden child. They are the backup singers, only there to be “supportive.”

I was in high performance sport as a kid and one thing the sports psychologist told our families was to make sure that they didn’t go all in on the “talented child” - that the school play or piano recital or great score on a test from siblings was just as important and they needed to make sure they made just a big a deal about that as a national championship meet etc. They told our parents it puts too much pressure on the athletic child, that children are sensitive and will feel they can’t let the family down, and that it’s unhealthy and breaks the relationship between siblings and kids need a balanced home to develop and perform well.

This article shows all the signs of that. The one child front and center, the other kids not even named. The home is “her safe space” but what about the other children? Did they get a party for starting school, or a football win, or anything they do?

lemmein · 15/07/2022 14:59

It amazes me how thick some people are!

'My son plays with these toys that society has deemed for girls, therefore my son must be my daughter' 🙄

Amazing how a lump of plastic can alter biology!

WolverineBluey · 15/07/2022 15:20

Yes, miss Rachel the same bit jumped out at me:
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“Grade one was confusing as some peers were saying she wasn’t a girl,’ Nikki said. ‘However, we chose to move Ella and the rest of our kids.^

So, starting over rather than facing the consequences of what they have created. Of course this would be difficult for other kids to process.

It made me wonder if the idea in a new school would be not to disclose the child's birth sex at all, and the implications of that - however seeing as they want to be social media celebs I guess it's no secret.

The more I read about cases like these the clearer it becomes there is no such thing as a 'trans kid'. It is child abuse.

BootsAndRoots · 15/07/2022 15:43

EdgeOfACoin · 15/07/2022 12:05

Long gone are the days when people would try to hide the fact that they were trans. Now everyone wants to shout about it. Trans itself is an identity, not a medical condition as it once was.

So being trans is about not adhering to stereotypes?

Whilst we seem to have some sensitive moderators out again today, this misses my point.

I'm not so much focused on the usual gender-nonconformity equals trans (which I disagree with), but rather the parents desire to go around promoting their trans child. If they had a biological girl would there be social media accounts and going to the press about it?

The child isn't being raised as a girl, but as a trans child and a symbol for activism.

CloudPop · 15/07/2022 15:51

Munchausen by proxy is a psychological disorder marked by attention-seeking behavior by a caregiver through those who are in their care.

@ZaraSizeMedium I agree. I don't know why this doesn't get addressed.

ScrollingLeaves · 15/07/2022 16:04

Re:
Homophobia/ transing a child. Child transing/child abuse.

The child in this video similarly was born a boy but did not behave in the same way as her brothers or like what they did.

Her mother asked herself “Is he going to be gay?”. Her mother actually admits she beat her every time she wanted girl things. This was when she was about three. The mother also prayed.

Then when the little child was aged about four he started talking about ‘Going to Jesus’ [dying]. At that point the mother couldn’t bear seeing him/her hurt and let her be a girl.

Now they are trans advocates.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=cuIkLNsRtas

Musomama1 · 15/07/2022 16:07

What a shame this mother has labelled all of her children. One so called trans and two so called Cis. The 'cis' ones are pretty boring right? No social media presence for them.

Shame the parents had to diagnose what was 'wrong' with their eldest son by giving him suggestive trans literature, they seem to be creating a problem.

They have a lovely 'effeminate' little boy who might grow up to remain effeminate or change in personality. Here, his personality has been set in stone. A lot of boys loved Frozen and did Frozen dress up 🤣🤣. My DS is 'pregnant' at the moment, sleeps with a mummy kangaroo and I often see a boy in princess dress up at nursery.

KittenKong · 15/07/2022 16:54

I remember a couple of videos that were doing the rounds a little while ago. One was a small boy (probably about 4) who was really into dancing and the video was him in 'girl' clothes dancing away and having a great time, and the other was a boy ( a bit older) donning a fancy dress to visit a retirement home and meet some residents (all gay men) and they absolutely loved him to bits.

Both had mums standing by, glowing with pride at their little boys just 'doing their thing'.

Now what's wrong with that?

10dozenCubes · 15/07/2022 17:15

That mum is so gullible and the family has fallen victim to the gender cult. It's mind boggling, really.

KittenKong · 15/07/2022 17:21

I can’t believe a woman who has carried and given birth to the babies…

HairyKitty · 15/07/2022 17:23

It’s like we’ve regressed to the 80s with the sex stereotyping. Except now there’s a whole load of look-at-me going on as well.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 15/07/2022 17:31

Jazz Jennings parents are much, much richer than they were before the transition. Suzy Green has a much better paid job and enjoys considerable power and attention. What’s not to like? Never mind the welfare of your little boy, by the time he wakes up to what you have done to him, it will be too late. He’ll just have to pretend to be glad.

Confusion101 · 15/07/2022 17:36

How many kids in the future will sue their parents for inflicting this shit on them? Dangerous to think parents like this are consenting for little kids!

lunar1 · 15/07/2022 17:39

My sons have never been into rough play. They love frozen, among so many other films. DS2 spent two years playing with a pink pram

I can't think of a single child appropriate toy, film, game or clothes that only a boy or girl could use.

MangyInseam · 15/07/2022 17:42

I wonder if any of them consider that kids can change a lot.

My son always loved baby dolls, he played a lot with girls, did ballet.

He still likes babies a lot as a teen but now he is into mustang cars and boxing instead of ballet.

Fluffymule · 15/07/2022 17:55

'Nikki decided to set up a social media page to share Ella’s transition journey'

Leaving aside all the other aspects of the parents actions here - a social media profile to share details of a minors life, personal and maybe medical information?!?

How could a parent violate and betray their child like that? How can an 8 year old consent to their privacy being invaded in such a crude manner? How can these parents justify to their child, once older, the fact that anyone can look up and find intimate details about them, stuff they can never erase from the public domain. Future dating partners, employers, friends, enemies.

This is about the parent wanting and enjoying the attention, not the immediate or long term wellbeing of their child. Exploiting your own child like this is abusive, and just adds to the harm they are doing to them with their regressive gender identity crap.

LK1972 · 15/07/2022 17:56

ScrollingLeaves · 15/07/2022 16:04

Re:
Homophobia/ transing a child. Child transing/child abuse.

The child in this video similarly was born a boy but did not behave in the same way as her brothers or like what they did.

Her mother asked herself “Is he going to be gay?”. Her mother actually admits she beat her every time she wanted girl things. This was when she was about three. The mother also prayed.

Then when the little child was aged about four he started talking about ‘Going to Jesus’ [dying]. At that point the mother couldn’t bear seeing him/her hurt and let her be a girl.

Now they are trans advocates.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=cuIkLNsRtas

Thanks for the link, that was a really sad watch. That poor boy - homophobic mother looked for conversation therapy, by her own admission. And then transed her kid when he found the only way he could be feminine, by saying he's a girl.

MoltenLasagne · 15/07/2022 18:06

Fluffymule · 15/07/2022 17:55

'Nikki decided to set up a social media page to share Ella’s transition journey'

Leaving aside all the other aspects of the parents actions here - a social media profile to share details of a minors life, personal and maybe medical information?!?

How could a parent violate and betray their child like that? How can an 8 year old consent to their privacy being invaded in such a crude manner? How can these parents justify to their child, once older, the fact that anyone can look up and find intimate details about them, stuff they can never erase from the public domain. Future dating partners, employers, friends, enemies.

This is about the parent wanting and enjoying the attention, not the immediate or long term wellbeing of their child. Exploiting your own child like this is abusive, and just adds to the harm they are doing to them with their regressive gender identity crap.

Exactly.

And the poor child's poor brothers being cast in the role of supporting siblings as well. No chance for them to speak out when they've been moved schools to maintain the deception.

ScrollingLeaves · 15/07/2022 18:11

It would be useful to know the name of the school that didn’t ‘comply’.

Whatwouldscullydo · 15/07/2022 18:30

What's wrong with a little boy who doesn't want to beat the crap out of his brother. The world needs more sweet, kind, quiet and thoughtful men who aren't afraid to be seen playing with dolls with their kids .

Why are they telling him hes a girl just because he's not stamping someone's face into the dirt.

And social.nedia pages,.buying trans books, gender reveal parties.. attention seeking nonsense clearly for the parents benefit.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 15/07/2022 18:35

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 15/07/2022 17:31

Jazz Jennings parents are much, much richer than they were before the transition. Suzy Green has a much better paid job and enjoys considerable power and attention. What’s not to like? Never mind the welfare of your little boy, by the time he wakes up to what you have done to him, it will be too late. He’ll just have to pretend to be glad.

Horrific, but there's a lot of truth in this.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 15/07/2022 18:41

There was a time when a parent behaving like this would have been referred to social services to explore the possibility of Munhausens by proxy (fabricated or induced illness).
Sadly the capture of social care and other safeguarding organisations by the trans lobby has left these children isolated and (in some cases) at the mercy of extreme psychological and emotional abuse. I think I posted this earlier, but if you haven't read it, please take a look at what happens to little children when they're sold this lie and have to confront reality as their bodies develop and they reach puberty:

www.transgendertrend.com/childhood-social-transition/

Whatwouldscullydo · 15/07/2022 18:47

MrsOvertonsWindow · 15/07/2022 18:41

There was a time when a parent behaving like this would have been referred to social services to explore the possibility of Munhausens by proxy (fabricated or induced illness).
Sadly the capture of social care and other safeguarding organisations by the trans lobby has left these children isolated and (in some cases) at the mercy of extreme psychological and emotional abuse. I think I posted this earlier, but if you haven't read it, please take a look at what happens to little children when they're sold this lie and have to confront reality as their bodies develop and they reach puberty:

www.transgendertrend.com/childhood-social-transition/

Yes if parents actually thought they were right and actually believed it they'd not need:

A TV show

A news paper article

A gender reveal

Everyone else to play along

Social media stories etc

Why is this always done in such a way that there's no way back for the kid ever.

KittenKong · 15/07/2022 18:53

I don’t understand the thinking behind (esp the religious types) who seem to be motivated by homophobia- and see this as a noble and joyful process.

Do they really see having a gay child (for it is often tiny boys) as a fate so terrible that they say ‘oops The Good Lord made a mistake here but He in His ultimate wisdom has given Dr Pharma the skills and knowledge to ‘fix’ it?