Kemi Badenoch through to next round

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If you have a Conservative MP and want to protect the rights of women and safeguard children please email them TONIGHT and ask them to support Kemi.

Penny Mordaunt still the bookies favourite (and they aren't often wrong) but we need to let everyone know how dangerous it will be for this woman to become PM; I don't believe she has changed her mind for one moment.

Exactly. As a brown woman, I’ve had frequent run-ins with these types at work. People who are not white are only palatable to them when we inhabit the box they have made for us and stick to our place.

All of these things:

That may be because she supports the deportation of some of the most vulnerable people in the country to Rwanda. A policy based entirely on hate.

It may be because she voted to deny millions of children free school meals during the summer. A policy based entirely on hate.

It may be because she voted to increase NI in a regressive fashion.

It may be because she has supported a policy of making it harder and harder for the disabled to claim benefits. A policy based entirely on hate.

were voted for by virtually every tory MP, not just the so-called “hard-right” ones. Funny how Badenoch is singled out here.

I wish to apologise if I have given the impression in this thread that I find the policies that Kemi supports abhorrent and not the same (note the complete lack of diversity in the contest) hated filled policies of the other candidates. That may be because the thread is about Kemi and not the other candidates?

Ok.

I find the policies that Kemi supports abhorrent and not the same (note the complete lack of diversity in the contest) hated filled policies of the other candidates. That may be because the thread is about Kemi and not the other candidates?

Its a Tory leadership contest. I don’t know what you expect to find other than policies largely consistent with the party as a whole. But, yes, you have given the impression that you find her to be extremely right wing by tory standards, when in fact her views are not wildly divergent from mainstream Conservative thinking.

Her views may be mainstream for the current Tory MPs, they were not and the comparison with Norman Tebbit illustrates this neatly mainstream for the Tory party 30 or even 5 years ago. But if the Tory party is happy to be UKIP in all but name that is up to them, but they will lose support from centrist more moderates conservatives, as has been evident in recent by-elections.

‘But if the Tory party is happy to be UKIP in all but name that is up to them, but they will lose support from centrist more moderates conservatives, as has been evident in recent by-elections.’

I’m not sure this analysis is correct. Labour haven’t condemned the Rwanda policy, for example. The party that provides most support for working families is likely to win the 2024 election, not the party that supports an open-borders immigration policy.

I’d say they are happy to be UKIP. The whole point (for the Tories) of the EU referendum and the subsequent Brexit legislation was to kill them off and recover their electoral prospects, and they succeeded in that. There is no party for moderates now. The moderate Tories were mainly kicked out in 2019.

I would use by-elections as an indication of the success of partygate over reaction to policies. It was a personal protest which is understandable given the media focus

We’ll know the public support for policies at the next GE

I doubt it will be run without superfluous distractions but generally people are good at going for the middle - look at last GE defeat for Labour

It’s hard to gauge next GE, I wouldn’t claim victory either way yet, but if pp want to that’s up to them

These types? Such arrogance.

Labour didn’t condemn the Rwanda policy? Really?

www.aa.com.tr/en/world/labour-party-denounces-johnsons-plan-to-send-asylum-seekers-to-rwanda/2563923

I’m not sure this analysis is correct. Labour haven’t condemned the Rwanda policy, for example. The party that provides most support for working families is likely to win the 2024 election, not the party that supports an open-borders immigration policy.

I hadn’t actually spotted Labour’s silence on this, but it makes sense. They are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

A policy based entirely on hate.

Sorry, Adrian Mole, but that's ridiculous. You can disagree with tory policies but the idea that they are 'based on hate' is just nonsense. They are based on various factors and priorities that may differ from yours. You can, of course, argue that these priorities are misguided or that other factors should also be considered. But this is just silly, immature posturing.

Even Starmer backs Brexit now - it’s no longer an partisan position

Things will shift wrt borders and immigration. If you take Aus as an example Labour again have not run or overturned position.

These types? Such arrogance.

Oh dear, clearly I’ve hit a nerve 🤣

Yes, exactly this.

@Blossomtoes The Daily Mail hasn't reported on Labour's condemnation of sending hugely vulnerable people to a country a long way away with a dubious human rights record, so clearly Labour have not condemned it.

I'm also a bit bemused to see Kenneth Clarke linked with compassionate conservatism. Not how I remember him, in fact I'd go as far as to wonder whether he and Badenoch are cut from the same straight talking, old school conservative cloth. He was also pretty loyal to Thatcher (until he wasn't),

I am pretty sure one would deport without due process some to the most desperate people in the country if one was compassionate. Given that the policy comes from a government that makes a habit of inciting hatred of those who are different it is not too much of a leap to conclude that it is a policy based on hate.

Yes, you have. It’s one of the expressions my fascist, racist uncle used to come out with when referring to anyone whose skin wasn’t white. So yes, you’ve definitely hit a nerve and I’m not laughing.

It’s ludicrous

The language around Kemi - people finding her ‘scary’

She has policies some don’t agree with. It makes the left sound concerned by diversity in power not just handing out caring packages. It’s ok if you’re on top, there’s a distance there

I’d prefer diversity which is natural not forced, and a range of view points from many backgrounds and non heightened reactions with language

It is posturing.

Oddly, neither has the Guardian.

In fact they reported that Starmer has refused to say whether Labour would scrap the policy and note that the party’s criticism of it is based largely on its inefficiency:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/21/tories-asylum-seekers-ministers-deportation-flights-to-rwanda

It is certainly a wonder that the current crop of Tory MPs and particularly ministers make Clarke look moderate and compassionate, but they do.

Ah, here we go. I’m a racist, facist brown person because I object to being made to think in the way that white people signed up to identity politics dictate I should.

Thank you for illustrating my point so well, and sorry that you find people whose skin isn’t white not thinking in the acceptable way so triggering.

Given that the policy comes from a government that makes a habit of inciting hatred of those who are different it is not too much of a leap to conclude that it is a policy based on hate.

You... do realise that Kemi is black? And that the tory government is the most racially diverse of any party in the uk, ever? Where does this idea that they have a "hatred of those who are different" come from? If they're all about hate, how did they appeal to all the women and ethnic minority members in their party?

In fact they reported that Starmer has refused to say whether Labour would scrap the policy and note that the party’s criticism of it is based largely on its inefficiency

It’s called fighting the enemy on its own turf. And regardless of the basis of the criticism it’s blatantly untrue to say Labour hasn’t condemned it.

I’m a racist, facist brown person

I didn’t say that. I said you’re using the same language as someone who was a fascist, racist white person.