Kemi Badenoch through to next round

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If you have a Conservative MP and want to protect the rights of women and safeguard children please email them TONIGHT and ask them to support Kemi.

Penny Mordaunt still the bookies favourite (and they aren't often wrong) but we need to let everyone know how dangerous it will be for this woman to become PM; I don't believe she has changed her mind for one moment.

Would the parents, lets call the dad Boris, have to pay for this children once they had been removed from them?

When my the next communist revolution fails to gather public support I'll know to pin the blame on my responses here.

Presumably every body here is amusing themselves, you know its just another way to say passing time right?

@LK1972 interesting idea yes I agree that would work.
I wonder though if there's also an effect you can't measure of having the role model of a single parent - which can go either way of course. I work for a charity and have seen very many kids living in desperate poverty with single parents do outstandingly well at school and onward, against all odds, without resources and only the library as a quiet study space, probably because they understand the value of education . Especially girls, in fact.

HA! He'd be bankrupt in weeks.

‘It's completely rational as that's what this rhetoric mean historically and currently. This isn't a secret. It's not a code that can be misinterpreted.’

It is. You could mean ‘family is important and tends towards better outcomes so people should do what they can to preserve it’ (not scary) or you could mean ‘We’re going to ban divorce’ (fucking scary).

‘But even if it wasn't you tell me what else it means? When a politician says things it means something political. What do you think the policy outcome of "family values" may be?’

Tax breaks for stay-at-home parents?

I apologise for being sparky. I thought people were being obtuse but apparently it's lack of knowledge.

Please refer to my above post on family values in a political context.

It's a loaded term.

If it was benign as you are implying why bother saying it?

Okay, tax breaks for stay at home parents.

And how does that help women liberation? Encouraging women (because lets be clear here it is women for a whole host of reasons but primarily the biological function of bearing children) to stay at home reliant on the wage of a man? Career on hold or not started at all? What of those single mothers? Do you think Kemi who loves free markets want to encourage them to stay home?

Can you honestly not see the detriment to women there?

@Miffee no, I'm 'not here to just pass the time', I'm here to read, and sometimes contribute (possibly poorly), to understand other people's point of view and to expand my own knowledge and grasp of the issues.

There are many very knowledgeable and well-informed posters on here, and your disrespect for other women's opinions, and admission you're only here to amuse yourself reflects rather poorly on your version of 'feminism'.

Honestly don't engage with me then. You don't have to. I won't mind.

I thought people were being obtuse but apparently it's lack of knowledge

I don’t think it’s lack of knowledge from pp

I wondered if anyone had insight into specific policies from Badenoch that reflected importance of family values

It is lack of knowledge of politics or being obtuse.

Then again given this boards ability to accurately understand the poltical meaning behind terms such as "inclusive language" perhaps its just being utterly blinded by the single issue you care about.

@Miffee I was replying to your post to me, shall I just ignore you being nasty to me then?

I don't care for your opinion, as you're rather unpleasant, but I don't take crap from people lying down.

But sure, please don't engage with me anymore, I don't think you have anything to offer anyway

@Miffee

You are now arguing something different with me. I’m asking why KB’s traditionalist policies (with which I don’t necessarily agree, although I do think there should be more choice in models of family life, and if a family prefers to have a parent in the home while the children are young, the state should help make this easier, because stable families are helpful to society) are scary, why her reasonably moderate views make her a right wing extremist in the eyes of some posters.

I don’t think so

It’s fine to explore the specifics behind any term, without the assumption re lacking knowledge

We don’t all interpret language in the same way - especially when a term is loaded with meaning rather than explicit

Has she put forward policies in the areas you mentioned?

The most obvious answer to that is she refused to serve as a minister in a government led by someone who takes little to no interest in most of their children.

I am saying this in the nicest way possible.

When you get upset by people online just log off. This board and the debate on it really doesn't matter the subject matters greatly but the actual back and forth on here couldnt be less relevent. As soon as you get wound up remind yourself of that and go and do something more fun instead.

You're not taking crap off me, I'm just some random who doesn't matter to you. Stop caring what I think. I'm off to have a bath now and can promise you I won't think about this at all until I log on again in a couple of days/weeks and see the notifications.

The reason that successive governments have pushed stay at home parents to go back to work is really quite simple, GDP. A parent who stays at home does not contribute to GDP. Whereas a parent who goes to work and pays all they earn to someone else to look after their children does contribute to GDP.

What has Kemi actually said about family values that you (anyone) find "fucking scary"? Because I think it's important to know specifics. If she's saying she wants to ban divorce, then that's very scary. (However, I think that is far-fetched to say the least - what support would she possibly have for such a policy.) If she's saying she'll stop schools from delivering gender ideology propaganda, then I'm totally on board. Knowing what we do of Kemi's track record, I'd say the latter is more likely to be the sort of thing she means by 'family values'. Maybe tax breaks, maternity policies etc. But please, if you know differently, share that information here.

I am saying this in the nicest way possible.

Yeah, no you're not. You turned up to say stupid things and then when challenged you told us all you were just here to 'amuse yourself', presumably because you don't have any answers. You're definitely not trying to do anyone any good.

‘The reason that successive governments have pushed stay at home parents to go back to work is really quite simple, GDP. A parent who stays at home does not contribute to GDP. Whereas a parent who goes to work and pays all they earn to someone else to look after their children does contribute to GDP.’

Sure. Which is why it’s more family-friendly to help so more families can live on one wage, if that’s what they want to do.

Which is why I suppose she is part of a government that has consistently given above inflation pay rises for the past 12 years?

Going off on a tangent - I haven't read the whole thread, so maybe this has already been posted before. I've just watched this video and I found it really interesting that although it was over a decade ago, Kemi Badenoch was already acutely aware of the issues surrounding the assumptions that black people have to think a certain way or must follow a specific political party and ideology. It's only 17 minutes long.

The culture of low expectations: Kemi Adegoke at TEDxEuston

'This board and the debate on it really doesn't matter' is an interesting take when the TRAs claim that MN is a 'radicalization portal'. I've certainly learned and changed my mind on more than one issue due to this board, so thanks to all the posters who do engage, and not just here to 'amuse themselves'.

What would I give for moral certainty that my opinions are correct, why can't I be more like that, seeing things in black and white, left is the only way to vote, everyone who's right-wing is a 'horror'.

Back to the subject, even though Kemi's not going to be a leader I look forward to seeing more of her as a head of a major government department (perhaps mine?) and judging her policies on their merits.

I was impressed by her performance in the debates, and I think she has a bright future, such an impressive woman!

‘Which is why I suppose she is part of a government that has consistently given above inflation pay rises for the past 12 years?’

She’s right wing. She doesn’t believe in spending public money we don’t have. That’s a political position, it’s not extremist or scary. We need to stop leaping to the end of the positional spectrum every time someone says anything.

She doesn’t believe in spending public money we don’t have

And yet she was offering unfunded tax cuts. .