Kemi Badenoch through to next round

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If you have a Conservative MP and want to protect the rights of women and safeguard children please email them TONIGHT and ask them to support Kemi.

Penny Mordaunt still the bookies favourite (and they aren't often wrong) but we need to let everyone know how dangerous it will be for this woman to become PM; I don't believe she has changed her mind for one moment.

@Blossomtoes Agree, immaterial to Kemi, but many leftists seem to think 'right-wing' or 'Tory' is an insult and an end to an argument. It just isn't

@stillherenow

Can I ask why it makes you scared rather than just causing you to disagree?

I’m married. I know that, absent any abuse, my children will be better off (not just financially) if I stay married. Is that not true in your mind?

Is it possible to support family values and have been in a Johnson government?

Unfortunately, statistics in life outcomes tend to support this view. And please do not take that as an attack, I'm sure you're doing a fab job, it's just statistically that is correct.

And of course women should leave abusive partners, still fervently wish my mother would've done, rather than subjecting us to a horror of a childhood

@MarshaBradyo

He’s not offering lower taxes, and he is viewed as having stabbed Johnson in the back. Truss was loyal.

Same, it’s not an attack. Badenoch is a traditionalist but she’s not threatening to repeal divorce laws or anything.

@LK1972 I don't take it as an attack and I'm a great parent .
However stats don't tell the whole story. How would those same outcomes look had the (potentially toxic or abusive ) marriages lasted ? It's not comparing like for like, but happy families vs single parents. Not unhappy families vs single parents.

But this is for another thread!

Ok, so here we have a gender critical, black woman, mother of 3, with a master’s degree in engineering and a law degree, work experience in IT and banking (with Coutts, no less!) an MP who has held two ministerial positions- and people are criticising her?
We are criticising her for her extreme right wing policies. I am very pleased she has been knocked out.

No, they don’t. But I think it’s unreasonable to present Badenoch as scary because she thinks the family unit is important. Surely it is, most of the time.

But it is complicated.

@achillestoes · Today 15:47

Because half the job is economics, and especially during a recession or likely recession and cost of living crisis. He has no ministerial experience. His degree was in Theology. He’s a decent and thoughtful man but that’s not going to allow him to run the economy.

Thanks for explaining. I thought he wouldn’t need to be good himself, just pick someone who is to be Chancellor.

Mordaunt certainly doesn’t seem especially able though, or have I missed some proven skills?

Would the Red Wall vote for Sunak, who does understand economics?

@ScrollingLeaves

Those are good questions. I think it’s the popular view that anyone can be PM as long as they’re well-meaning, but it’s not the Party view.

Mordaunt at least has quite wide-ranging ministerial experience.

Sunak understands economics?

So you mean that all the fraud, the eat out to spread covid and the housing bubble he created were all deliberate.

I have to say I just assumed he was incompetent.

@jgw1

Can you explain it all to us?

I thought this was a feminist board, surely to Christ I don't have to explain why right wing politicians who laud family values are bad news for women?

Sunak is strong on the economics, he can hold his own as shown in the last debate

interesting achilles I guessed lower taxes might be a factor but hadn’t factored in Johnson element

@stillherenow That the stats don't tell the whole story is indubitable. They are, however, the source of data for formulating the policy.

You seem to suggest to all the people who do not divorce, for whatever reason, are happy.

Even if that's the case, comparing 'happy families' with 'single-parent families' is fine imo, otherwise it's saying that single-parent households are not happy by definition?

Not goading, genuinely trying to understand if there's logic in questioning this particular set of stats?

@Miffee please do, if you have the time, I'd much appreciate it

Miffee · Today 16:11
“achillestoes · Today 16:00
No, they don’t. But I think it’s unreasonable to present Badenoch as scary because she thinks the family unit is important. Surely it is, most of the time.”

I thought this was a feminist board, surely to Christ I don't have to explain why right wing politicians who laud family values are bad news for women?

Do you mean children being part of families?

Or do you mean “family values” as a euphemism for women not being allowed to work, have mortgages in their own right, equal pay etc. ( all things women have been fighting for)?

Kemi Badenoch’s way of life does not exemplify the last description.

As for the first, since when shouldn’t children be part of families? Even single parents will try to make a family atmosphere at home, with extended family if possible, and with good friends and ‘aunties’, with school friends, with a local community? I don’t think that is un-feminist.

Is this for real?

Single parent families are usually poorer.

@Miffee Totally correct, hence the worse life outcomes, not because the stats are collected the wrong way, which that poster was arguing.

What's wrong with family values? Most people have or want a family. Families are the basis of society. I think defending families from gender ideology is a good idea.

Disappointed that Kemi's out. Hopefully she'll get a good cabinet position. I'm now hoping for Truss to win, although I must admit I can't get excited about her.

So @Miffee , why are family values antithetical to feminism, if 2-parent families provide statistically better life outcomes?

I thought this was a feminist board

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Where have you been the last 12 months?

@Clovefeld Are you saying I'm only allowed to think myself a feminist if I'm left-wing? Are centrists allowed, pretty please?