Penny Mordant as PM - nooooooo...

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Genuinely scared now that she might win - looks like she's second behind Rishi Sunak in nominations, and the most popular with Tory membership.

If gender self-ID is passed in law, it's going to be so difficult to repeal. (I don't trust her not to try, despite what she said on Twitter recently).

So also scared now that if she wins, the UK will go the same way re. gender policy as the US, Canada etc. and the UK as a beacon of reason in the world on this issue will be snuffed out forever. (Sounds hyperbolic but think it's near the mark).

How can we campaign to stop this? I've already emailed an appeal to the nearest Tory MP to me about this, but otherwise feel powerless.

She's not saying she's changed her mind. And she's not being honest. She's lying about the fact that she tried to take the word mother out of maternity legislation - several gov sources for that. And we all saw her anger about being foiled by the Lords amendment when she declared in the Commons that 'trans women are women' (rather than 'some' trans women are legally women, which is what she's saying now. She's lying about the fact that she previously supported self ID - Ben Cohen from Pink News has confirmed that. She's lying her arse off!

So she identifies as a feminist when she’s running for PM? Hmm no thanks, I can’t abide liars or sneaks.

I hope Kemi gets through.

Much as I dislike all of them, Rishi Sunak is very clear - 'protect women's rights' from 'gender-neutral language' which 'erases women'. PM is the one who has openly said "TWAW" in Parliament and in an interview with Pink News. That's why there is the interest.

It seems quite incredible that the Tories are about to anoint another brass-necked liar, having apparently just got rid of their leader for being a brass-necked liar.

Not to me.🤣🤣🤣

It seems quite incredible that the Tories are about to anoint another brass-necked liar, having apparently just got rid of their leader for being a brass-necked liar.

Part of the issue, I think, is that it was Conservative MPs, including some members of the Government, who decided Johnson had become a liability and forced him out. And they didn't say he had to go because he was untrustworthy, but because he could no longer run a government. The party membership weren't calling for his head en masse, and haven't even asked that he be removed in favour of Raab until the new leader is determined.

When the two final choices go to the Membership for the postal vote, I'm betting the candidate perceived as more like Johnson has a significant advantage, or at least not much of a disadvantage. And while what the country wants, what the electorate wants as a whole is important (because presumably the new leader/PM will still be leader going into the next GE, even if it's not until 2024), many rank-and-file party faithful will be blinded by the huge majority in the last GE and thinking another Johnson can do the same again.

If Labour go after her for the obvious lie about Turkey joining the EU, they will just be cast as Remoaners.
If Labour go after her for the selfID lie , they will have the Labour TRAS shouting at them.
Those are their big and obvious talking points. The fact they are too fucking scared to do either, speaks volumes.
Badenoch won't let her push self ID through.

I’ll never vote conservative if she’s PM. No chance

The right thing. Oh yes. like Nicky Morgan appointing that male Stonewall City lawyer to chair the Equality and Human Rights Commission and the female lawyer as CEO, both a disaster for women and both not long departed but the damage has been done and while the new chairwoman is doing her best to restore some balance it can be only partly recovered. Wasn't Morgan a City lawyer herself? Perhaps she knew him and if so knew his agenda. And funny how what is right turns out to be what is the male Stonewall agenda.
Wasn't Justine Greening one of the main ones involved in the new push for sex education in schools - possibly along with Morgan? See how that's gone in the same way to the male Stonewall agenda. These women were appointed by Theresa May and she and they badged themselves as women and feminists, though whether that meant how they dressed or what they did for women in terms of policy...did any of them go beyond and consider the implications for women and children?

Listening to PM on radio 4 and they think if she gets on final ballot the party members will pick her.

I don't believe a word she says her lies are so blatant - but I'm a floating voter and seem to be rapidly running out of a party vaguely palatable to vote for - so it will come down to local candidates they put up - but her as leader would be yet another negative.

She's going to win. All we can do is keep raising it. Short of some big scandal in the papers the membership will pick her over Sunak. I'm conflicted over it, I don't like her because I think she's been economical with the truth, but she's not as right winged (relatively speaking) as some of the others. My preference would be Sunak but membership don't want him. I think part of it is the Thatcher effect, Tory men do seem to like a certain type of woman. I worry who she'll give powerful positions to, thinking about Nokes and Miller. Truss might still have a chance if the other right winged candidates give her their votes but I do think it's a case of looking for a new broom untainted by Johnson.

If party members will get a vote, can one join now and still be included?

You could be right... the only hope is she doesn't make it to the final ballot

I looked into this at the last leadership election when I wanted to vote for Rory Stewart. Think you have to be a member for 3 months to get a vote so there isn't time.

She's got my vote.

In a You Gove Poll of Tory members, PM comes way out in front against every other candidate.
We can only hope that because “What is a woman?” is an issue which they know they can win with Labour, that she won’t want to go there. Maybe I’m too naive.

Johnson really shot himself in the foot (again) he booted her out of Cabinet after the last leadership election because she supported Hunt. So her hands are relatively clean compared to people who were in his Cabinet. And this is the result.

Well hopefully the right questions will be asked at the live debates.
She will have a chance to clarify her beliefs.

[[www.pinknews.co.uk/2022/07/13/penny-mordaunt-trans-willy-tory/[[

Apparently Pink News have fallen out of love with their glitter girl.

She's obviously trying to backtrack with her strange "this woman does not have a willy" today - reference to Thatcher's comment about Willie Whitelaw. But you could take her comment two ways.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2022/07/13/penny-mordaunt-trans-willy-tory/
sorry - messed up the link above.

Yes hopefully it will be hard for her to backtrack. But she's so slippery with her language. Dentons playbook anyone? Like I say I'm conflicted anyway, her opinions on other things are not as bad so .. nowt we can do about it anyway, apart from keep asking the questions, we haven't got a vote.

I had asked, · Today 17:27
“If party members will get a vote, can one join now and still be included?”

Mollyollydolly · Today 17:29
I looked into this at the last leadership election when I wanted to vote for Rory Stewart. Think you have to be a member for 3 months to get a vote so there isn't time.

Thanks for answering.

I am going to write here to ask just in case.
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Karen Bradly was involved in some of the most embarrassing controversies and gaffes. When she was Culture, Media Secretary she blocked a black woman from a post to do with Channel 4, preferring four men, which caused an official protest among MPs. What was she thinking? Or was she thinking?

Having been appointed Secretary of State for Northern Ireland by PM May, she said that she hadn't realised that nationalist parties didn't vote for unionists and vice versa. This was so laughably ignorant that no one could believe she came out with it. Everyone knows that. I mean the dogs in the street too. More seriously she also made a statement that murders by soldiers and police in Northern Ireland were not crimes but people doing their duty - Bloody Sunday? - that caused a mighty upset and she had to formally apologise and withdraw the statement. She was eventually sacked from that post by Johnson when he became PM. It's good to have women in politics and women promoting women but my goodness, there has to be a bit more than showing you are a woman and there has to be a level of competence, along with consideration and recognition of women's interests.

Amber Rudd had various posts including Women and Equalities, Home Secretary, and Work and Pensions. She too had various controversies, including misleading parliament and eventually turned against May and in the end resigned. I can't remember all. She was what you might call socially progressive and wanted to be the leader. She did have more of an appearance of capability but didn't seem terribly successful in the ministerial posts.
None of this May set did anything much for the women who were left poor, or penniless in some cases, when their pensions were deferred for several years. May declared that it was too costly and that was the end of that. But they could and should have done something by way of transitional arrangements. I've always felt that was a big disappointment of the May regime and her feminist colleagues.

You have to have been a member for 3 months to vote in any internal election. Pay £50 up front for the year and you have to live in the U.K.
It's a way more sensible and democratic policy than the England Wales Greens where it's 4 weeks, you can sign up to pay £3 per month, cancellable at any time, you can live wherever in the world you want. Hence TRAs all over the world winning internal U.K. Green policies.

Didn't know that about the Greens, that's bonkers.