Penny Mordant as PM - nooooooo...

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Genuinely scared now that she might win - looks like she's second behind Rishi Sunak in nominations, and the most popular with Tory membership.

If gender self-ID is passed in law, it's going to be so difficult to repeal. (I don't trust her not to try, despite what she said on Twitter recently).

So also scared now that if she wins, the UK will go the same way re. gender policy as the US, Canada etc. and the UK as a beacon of reason in the world on this issue will be snuffed out forever. (Sounds hyperbolic but think it's near the mark).

How can we campaign to stop this? I've already emailed an appeal to the nearest Tory MP to me about this, but otherwise feel powerless.

Ooops that didn't work.

I wonder if they're working with women as well? [Is what I meant to say.]

Thanks Penny

Berth Rigby getting slammed on Twitter for daring to ask about this minor issue when people are struggling financially. Because having our and out liars in government has worked out well for us

twitter.com/bethrigby/status/1547900686691553280?s=21&t=RS3tTKbfcHlTuncxnaAWRA

For some reason they haven’t aired the clip either, just a summation of what PM said.

Which was still a lie. Transwomen are not legally women. That is not what the GRA does. It changes their legal sex to female, and allows them to be treated as female for most purposes.

But then the clip that was aired has PM saying the policy we have in England is the right one: we have a plurality of services, some of which will exclude transwomen from women’s spaces and some of which will not. And that is both different and better from what they are doing in Scotland.

That scares me less than her previous comments. Beth Rigby is asking the right questions here.

Beth Rigby: Do you think women have the right to exclude transwomen from some spaces, that’s all I want to know?

Mordaunt: Yes. I do.

@achillestoes · Today 12:47
Beth Rigby: Do you think women have the right to exclude transwomen from some spaces, that’s all I want to know?

Mordaunt: Yes. I do

That’s good, but might she have been being literal when she said, “some”? She had only specified sports at other times.

Re: Your previous post - those Twitter responses just show how dire and ‘unawake’ people are to the harm being done. Unfortunately the idea that being concerned about it is all about persecuting the poor tiny minority of trans people. and ignoring all other very important issues, seems to be at the heart of those responses.

I wish this could stop being called a ‘culture war’ and about ‘trans’.

@ScrollingLeaves

Yes, that’s very much what Paris Lees was doing on Politics Live as well. “Woe is me” and then, as soon as anyone tried to start a genuine conversation, it was all aggression and “shutting people down”. Piss off, women are allowed to talk. About whatever we want!

Mordaunt seemed happy with the actual law as it is. That’s a start, and takes the edge off if she wins, but I want someone to win who will do more to positively address the issues.

I'm rapidly losing interest in this. This is a really strange contest. I don't think MPs should be allowed anywhere near the selection process. Or if they are their input should be reduced. The opportunities for scheming and nest feathering are huge.

I think Mordaunt 's a lightweight. Her word mangling on Trans rights is unconvincing and she appears to have no strong convictions or policies. She'll buckle even more before the tran's fadists, and sell women out - I've no doubt.

That said, I really don't want Sunak either. I would back Badenoch.

I note she talked about "trans" women, not "legal" ones.

I’m not losing interest. We’re (happily) seeing a narrowing of the parameters of ‘acceptable’ belief on this issue across the political spectrum. In the last year, Labour and Conservative politicians have been edged closer to the actual legal position: transwomen can legally change their gender, but it doesn’t make them female in the material sense, and being female in the material sense confers rights that are not shared by transwomen.

Now we need to keep up that pressure, so when the election comes round in Scotland, Sturgeon and her wee army of Green minions look like the eccentrics they are.

Putting this here for those that haven't seen it, or the full clip.

She hedges with the first ask, then Beth asks again pushing for a 'yes' or 'no' answer. Which she gives.

twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1547899405113516038

Caroline Nokes is backing Mordaunt to the hilt. So she has Nokes and Maria Miller. Imagine the carnage they could cause.

Fluffymule · Today 13:51
Putting this here for those that haven't seen it, or the full clip.

She hedges with the first ask, then Beth asks again pushing for a 'yes' or 'no' answer. Which she gives.

twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1547899405113516038

Thank you for that video clip, Fluffymule

So she agrees that there should be the right to exclude trans women from some spaces which is good.

But in her saying it is different in Scottish law, and I think trying to say that because of that that is why she thinks the government shouldn’t interfere, perhaps she isn’t aware how often in England too, say, rape crisis centres or refuges etc have not been accepting that trans women can be excluded. So is she perhaps not realising that the government should be a lot clearer.

Unfortunately, the issue of the very widespread misuse of misleading and authoritarian language in official documents, and the indoctrination of children has not been addressed.

, “say, rape crisis centres or refuges etc have not been accepting that trans women can be excluded”

I should have made clear that PM did not mean trans women should not be excluded from services. She spoke of a plurality of provision.

My apologies.I got in a mess with that sentence.. You know what I meant: there should be separate services for trans women and women.

Apparently she’s a fan of homeopathy and thinks it should available on the NHS.

See the Guardian.

The reason why homeopathic remedies aren't prescribed on the NHS is because the evidence base is severely lacking.

Indeed. Mordaunt is contradicting the chief doctor of the NHS.

From the Guardian, on Mordaunt’s support for homeopathy:

“It [homeopathy] has been called bogus by the most senior doctor in the NHS, and the health service does not fund it because of “the lack of any evidence for its effectiveness”. The NHS position is backed by a high court judgment.“

I wonder how she’ll reverse ferret on this one?

SpindleInTheWind · Today 16:10
Re: Penny Mordaunt believing in homeopathy
which is discredited by the NHS

I wonder how she’ll reverse ferret on this one?

Though not a fan, I don’t see what is wrong in believing in this for herself?

I've reverted to my laptop so I can post the link:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/15/penny-mordaunt-repeatedly-advocated-use-of-homeopathy-on-nhs

Looks like she has advocated it for other people. Her campaign team is yet to respond.

What with her apparent lack of concern about the climate emergency and her declaration from the Despatch Box ('TWAW and TMAM'), she's coming across as something of a science denier.

I wonder what she means by homeopathy? I realized some years ago that some people include any kind of non-mainstream healthcare under that banner.

Many people do seem to think homeopathy is herbalism rather than very diluted water.

I still prefer the NHS to have solid evidence as possible for treatments.

Just seen this from Conservatives for Women apologies if it's been linked to before.

www.conservativesforwomen.org/penny-mordaunt-helped-to-push-gender-ideology-out-across-every-institution-in-the-uk?s=09

When she was Minister for Women and Equalities, overseeing the Government Equalities Office during 2018 and 2019, Penny Mordaunt presided over an organisation captured by gender ideology. The output of the GEO under her watch spread gender ideology across public institutions. In doing so it undermined science, free speech, established language, women's rights, and the safeguarding of the vulnerable. The fightback from grassroots women has since consumed untold energy.

This document illustratres this. Much more work must be done to understand how an unscientific harmful ideology completely took over an institution that was supposed to protect women's rights. Many women seek a Government Enquiry into this matter - perhaps the next Conservative Prime Minister could commit to this.

The NHS doesn't have the money to waste on something as ridiculous as homeopathy. I spent years running clinical trials and working with herbalists and aromatherapists. Therapeutic massage and herbal medicine are both effective as complementary therapies and it really annoys me when people conflate these with homeopathy, for which there is no evidence of effectiveness at all, other than placebo and the psychological benefit of having someone to talk to and listen to you.
Just another lie being peddled.