Is CIS a legal term?

[purpleboy]

So I had a conversation with a friend the other day who is adamant Cis is an accurate descriptor of women and that it is written into law?
I asked where but she couldn't specify just stating it's a factual term (referencing women) that is legally recognized.
I've had a look and can't seem to find anything to back this up, but I know the wise women here will know if there is any truth to this.
Thanks in advance.

A ciswoman or man is someone who identifies as the sex they were born as.
It's not ddifficult. You might not agree with it, I would disagree but I respect hour right to , but pretending it doesnt make sense/is nonsense makes intelligent woman look somewhat silly.

Ok. It's no different to: "A sinner is someone who does not keep the rules of the faith, it's not difficult. You might not agree with it, but pretending it doesn't make sense/is nonsense makes intelligent wom(en?) look somewhat silly.'

It's not a neutral position, it's one embedded in a religious, faith based belief system. We're a pluralist society. Have your own faith and all it's freedoms, and best of luck to you. I'm an atheist. Leave me out of it.

6 years ago? Wow

I'm an atheist - is that offensive to me because I'm labelled as something in relation to an ideology I dont believe in?

Presumably you wouldn't refer to yourself as an atheist if you thought it was offensive. I don't believe in God but I don't call myself an atheist and if someone else called me that I would say they were incorrect because that is not a term that fits me. Similarly I am a woman but I am not a "cis" woman because I do not "identify" as a woman. I am a woman by virtue of my biology. That is why I don't want to be called cis. Call yourself what you want but don't force your meaningless words on other people.

Of course we do.

Mine happens to me that I'm fine with the word "cisgender". Others don't, but there is no" push back" because those who disagree understand that ultimately they are working in a professional environment and have to behave as such.

Yes, my first ever placement actively taught it as part of the RME Curriculum. They were one of the first, I met Ian McKellen as a result.

No, we are a religious society. If we weren't, we wouldnt need a term for non believers, would we?

There is a difference between vocabulary and law.

its not this either. It simply means that you identify with the biological sex that you were assigned at birth. Its like using analogue for clocks and watches...a word for clocks with hands wasn't needed until digital watches were invented. It has nothing to do with any kind of conformity or behaviour or sexual preference....you can be cis and gay.

Cis literally just means your gender identity matches the sex you were born as. It's short for cisgender. I'm cisgender because my gender identity is female and my sex is female. Just like I'm bisexual because I'm attracted to both men and women. It doesn't erase that I'm a woman, I still am. It's just a descriptor.

Are you transgender? No? Then you're cisgender. There's nothing offensive about it.

I don't think it's up to anyone else to tell me what I'm offended by.

<pricks up ears>

So, you've been trained on Intersex (an old-fashioned umbrella term for up to 40 different congenital health conditions affecting sexual development, sometimes called DSDs), alongside training in issues relating to LGB (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual) and TQ, have you?

Sounds so generalised that it will be useless. Approximately 150 children a year are born in the UK with one of these conditions. So you've been receiving training on how to provide pastoral support to affected children have, presumably? Or are they now expecting teachers to do the job of doctors and to provide highly specialised medical advice to children?

If the latter, I'd join a union. The job role expansion is only going to snowball from here. 29,000 children in the UK are living with diabetes type 1. Suppose they try to get you to train as a specialist diabetes nurse next?

Or is this a case of "training" where they vaguely mention as many terms as possible during the day, so that the training provider can big up the course as "covering x, y, z, gamma, beta" even though they will teach you nothing about supporting pupils with y syndrome? The kind where as many conditions as possible are named so the training providers can increase the quote accordingly? There is a lot of that about in education.

@godmum56 and @Flolawri that's your understanding of what it means. That's not what other people understand it to mean, so don't tell me I must now self describe as "cis" just because gender ideologues tell me so.

I don't have a gender identity. I have a sex. I don't have a gender identity in the same way that I don't have an eye colour identity, a hair colour identity or a height identity... these are just simple facts about me.

One year, sex and gender are different things.

The next, female is a gender identity.

No. Just no. Off you trot. You've had woman to mean whatever the hell you want. You're not having female as well.

I agree.

@tobee until it comes to trans people, in which case thats dictated to them.

No.

Others don't, but there is no" push back" because those who disagree understand that ultimately they are working in a professional environment and have to behave as such.

It is not remotely "professional" to unthinkingly do as one is told.

Did I say any of that? And did I say that I supported the course or now believed myself to be fully qualified?

No. I pointed out it's the term we've to use, because it is.

I'm in a union. I don't know any teacher who isn't.

But I am female... I was born female so I have it?

And yes, female is a gender identity. There wouldn't be transwomen if they didn't identify as female?

What do you put when sites ask what gender you are? Female? Thought so.

Google the gtcs standards in Scotland.

I'm not allowed to say I'm an atheist or that I vote for Nicola Sturgeon. We have had professional standards for years, you can't change that just because you don't like peoles' opinions.

Cis is total nonsense. I do not identify with any stereotypes of my sex. I was not assigned a sex at birth, it was simply observed. And finally and most importantly, I am NOT a subset of my own sex class. I reject it and will not engage with any attempt to foist it on me. That is all.

you don't have to self describe as anything if you don't want to.

The Oxford dictionary definition of cisgender is "adjective
1 denoting or relating to a person whose sense of personal identity and gender corresponds with their birth sex."

What's the legal definition? In the U.K.?

It is offensive if you don't actually have a gender

Now on the one hand that actually comes under the stonewall transgender category but many people just don't think it's a significant part of their being and are not keen on being aligned with the transgender community - in m case because of the way that community treats sex

when it comes down to it , most females experience far more discrimination because of their sex than their "transgender" nature

In fact all the discrimination can be said to stem from the sex - underpaid , technical skills not recognised are because people assume a wierd concept of gender must be associated with boobs

So a transgender :agender female is not cis at all but is equally unwelcome and unsupported by the transgender community

Assigned sex at birth is just what sex you are. I was born female, that is my assigned sex.