Is CIS a legal term?

[purpleboy]

So I had a conversation with a friend the other day who is adamant Cis is an accurate descriptor of women and that it is written into law?
I asked where but she couldn't specify just stating it's a factual term (referencing women) that is legally recognized.
I've had a look and can't seem to find anything to back this up, but I know the wise women here will know if there is any truth to this.
Thanks in advance.

No, it's not, and she needs to understand that "be kind" applies to everyone, including those who don't wish to have that label applied to them.
Not just the one's advocating compelled speech.

Someone has told your friend this for nefarious purposes.

A trans woman is a man who identifies as a woman.

A trans man is a woman who ide tifies as a man.

A ciswoman or man is someone who identifies as the sex they were born as.
It's not ddifficult. You might not agree with it, I would disagree but I respect hour right to , but pretending it doesnt make sense/is nonsense makes intelligent woman look somewhat silly.

I have never, ever heard it cause so much offence outwith Mn.

Its probably more that you haven’t heard women voice their reasoned objections elsewhere. People are scared for their jobs.

I'm an atheist - is that offensive to me because I'm labelled as something in relation to an ideology I dont believe in?

It’s not analogous.

It may not be law but it is I official use.

In other words it doesnt suit your agenda. Why is not analogous?

Yeah, maybe, or it might just be that they dont agree. That is allowed.

A ciswoman or man is someone who identifies as the sex they were born as.

Ni we’ve been told many, many times that being cis means having a gender identity that matches your birth gender (sex). If you don’t have any gender identity you cannot be cis.

In other words it doesnt suit your agenda. Why is not analogous?

I don’t actually have an agenda about the word “cis” other than I shouldn’t be forced to adopt it for myself. I could t care less how many people identify as cis. But I don’t.

It’s not analogous to someone labelling your lack of religious belief “atheism”, because atheism is the word for lack of religious belief. “Cis” isn’t the word for a lack of gender identity.

Of course it is.

Anyone who says its isn't has their own agenda

This is how I see it but my brother said if I'm happy to be described as a straight woman I should also accept cis woman. It's accepting many forms of sexuality descriptors but also then many women descriptors. I can't articulate it in a way he understands.

Sexuality is not an inherent, fixed biological trait. It is a preference. Unchanging for some, more fluid for others. Someone's sexuality is determined by the sex of the partners they choose to have sex with, not by their dna.

Whereas sex is innate, immutable, binary and can be determined even in people long dead. There simply aren't more than two sexes. The use of the term cis implies that that there are women who were born women and women who weren't. This is categorically untrue, regardless of what anyone chooses to wear or call themselves, and regardless of which set of outdated, regressive sex-based stereotypes they think fit them best.

Or we work in a place that uses it after it being made official in an in service day. We dont all live in tbe world of Mn where claim it isnt happening.

I see your point there.

But I dont think you need a word for 'doesn't believe in trans', do you? are we not already being hurtful enough?

I think people on Mumsnet would certainty claim it is happening! But it's not a legal term. That's kind of the point

It has no legal standing. Organisations can adopt all manner of internal policies. It doesn’t automatically give them credence, intellectual heft, or legal weight.

No, but unless as MN would have you believe that everyone else are raging misogynist out to deny your identity (ironic really as they are doing the denying), the fact we are using it in schools isnt for the fun.

But I dont think you need a word for 'doesn't believe in trans', do you? are we not already being hurtful enough?

I thought we were discussing whether “cis” was a legally meaningful term and whether people should accept it.

FWIW, though, I’ve never met anyone personally who “doesn’t believe in trans”. I think what is contested is how trans people get their dignity while women still keep their rights and spaces.

I do think PSHE curricula will get revised a bit. It’s all been thrown in - including use of “cis” - in an effort to be kind and inclusive , which is a great intention, but it’s been done in a hurry, and the rough edges will be polished before long. “Cis” is a prime example and really is a case of “that word doesn’t mean what they think it means”.

No, you just donr agree with the use. I cant bear this they disagree so they must not understand.

In scotland, the word is used in Rome, pse and in general use when he lgbtqi youth award is given.

And fwiw, cisgender was part of rme when I started teacher training six years ago. This is nor new.

Just to add the the pervious reasons.

In order to be cis, I have to identify as being cis.
As I do not identify as a gender but by my sex, I cannot be cis.

It is, to use the TRAs words against them, 'literal violence' to mis-gender me.

beautyisthefaceisee you seem very ready to accept whatever your school, or your training provider, tell you.

Do you, or your colleagues, have an opinion?

There would be major pushback at my school if we were told to refer to people as "cis".

In chemistry cis and trans forms of isomers have a geometric difference so once we had trans, cis was used as the opposite on trans
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cis–trans_isomerism

CIS = Construction Industry Scheme. Tax scheme for subcontractors. An HMRC term nothing to do with gender.

Next time someone mentions it. You can casually say: "oooh. I'm not self employed subbie but PAYE thanks" and watch the confusion on their little faces.

@HappyintheHills 😂 exactly. You got there before me.