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Is CIS a legal term?

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purpleboy · 11/07/2022 12:01

So I had a conversation with a friend the other day who is adamant Cis is an accurate descriptor of women and that it is written into law?
I asked where but she couldn't specify just stating it's a factual term (referencing women) that is legally recognized.
I've had a look and can't seem to find anything to back this up, but I know the wise women here will know if there is any truth to this.
Thanks in advance.

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HipTightOnions · 11/07/2022 18:16

anyone on here claiming they would tell the headtescher they're not using the word and stomp about is talking utter bollocks and you know it.

Are you sure you're a teacher? I would expect to have a grown-up conversation (I don't "stomp about").

It seems you are accepting the standards don't say what you thought they said, anyway.

Flolawri · 11/07/2022 18:16

beautyisthefaceisee · 11/07/2022 18:14

@Flolawri , argh, come on.

There's not many of us on the "other side" of the debate and we need to hang on to the little bit of credibility we have - don't be rude to people!

Just get a bit pissed off when people aren't accepting, that's all. To be honest, they are being ignorant as they're not wanting to be educated on the topic.

Flolawri · 11/07/2022 18:19

Fenlandia · 11/07/2022 17:58

Hang on flolawri 4 minutes ago you said female was a gender identity now you say female is your "assigned sex"

Which is it? It can't be both a sex and a gender identity as these are different things - they have to be in order for transness to exist

For example, a trans person could be born male, but their gender identity is female. They'd be a transwoman.

I'm cisgender as I was born female, and my gender identity is female.

Does this make sense? My gender identity matches my sex.

HipTightOnions · 11/07/2022 18:19

"Stomp about" "utter bollocks" "obtuse".

I don't think I'm the one being rude, beauty.

tobee · 11/07/2022 18:19

"How dare you not accept what I tell you! I'm educating you here! Obviously, the same doesn't apply to me. Don't be so pernickety and expect me to show you where it says so in the law."

ErrolTheDragon · 11/07/2022 18:19

RoseslnTheHospital · 11/07/2022 18:14

What?? There's no assigning of sex done by egg and sperm. One random sperm is first to break through the egg and fertilise it. If it is carrying an X chromosome the resulting embryo will be female. If it is carrying a Y chromosome then it is male. No assigning happens.

The random sperm determines the sex of the embryo. 'Assign' has a connotation of a deliberate choice. It's simply the wrong word.

beautyisthefaceisee · 11/07/2022 18:21

HipTightOnions · 11/07/2022 18:16

anyone on here claiming they would tell the headtescher they're not using the word and stomp about is talking utter bollocks and you know it.

Are you sure you're a teacher? I would expect to have a grown-up conversation (I don't "stomp about").

It seems you are accepting the standards don't say what you thought they said, anyway.

No, I made it up so I could look dead cool on MN.

You dont apepear to do grown up conversations. Youve been patronising and dismissive and I'm no longer interested in engaging with you.

Okay, you're right. You're so right. Well done you. Happy? Brilliant. Please get off my back.

and no, i'm not accepting that at all. I'm just fed up of your rudeness.

Johnnysgirl · 11/07/2022 18:21

To be honest, they are being ignorant as they're not wanting to be educated on the topic
The fucking arrogance of that Shock

beautyisthefaceisee · 11/07/2022 18:21

HipTightOnions · 11/07/2022 18:19

"Stomp about" "utter bollocks" "obtuse".

I don't think I'm the one being rude, beauty.

Whatever. Please leave me alone.

Signalbox · 11/07/2022 18:21

Just get a bit pissed off when people aren't accepting, that's all. To be honest, they are being ignorant as they're not wanting to be educated on the topic.

Are you for real?

HipTightOnions · 11/07/2022 18:21

I'm cisgender as I was born female, and my gender identity is female. Does this make sense?

Not to me. You are using "female" to mean two different things, and I don't know what your second meaning is.

beautyisthefaceisee · 11/07/2022 18:21

Flolawri · 11/07/2022 18:16

Just get a bit pissed off when people aren't accepting, that's all. To be honest, they are being ignorant as they're not wanting to be educated on the topic.

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I know. I take it back, after the latest posts!

beautyisthefaceisee · 11/07/2022 18:22

@Flolawri is't the only one being 'arrogant'. Seems its okay if youre on the right side of the debate.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 11/07/2022 18:22

I suspect the problem is I am too educated. I was an early adopter, back in 2004. Saw the transwomen I knew as women, the non-binaries as non-binary and all that. "Woman" was a gender identity.

But female and male weren't. And they aren't going to be.

tobee · 11/07/2022 18:24

There's a lot of trantumming going on here

tobee · 11/07/2022 18:24

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 11/07/2022 18:22

I suspect the problem is I am too educated. I was an early adopter, back in 2004. Saw the transwomen I knew as women, the non-binaries as non-binary and all that. "Woman" was a gender identity.

But female and male weren't. And they aren't going to be.

Grin
PurgatoryOfPotholes · 11/07/2022 18:24

The answer is no.

You do not get to unilaterally change the meaning of words, and if you are going to try, you are going to come up with new words to replace them. For example, my cat.

I thought she was "female". If female means whatever you think it does, what is she, my neighbour's dog, and the horse down the road?

Flolawri · 11/07/2022 18:25

HipTightOnions · 11/07/2022 18:21

I'm cisgender as I was born female, and my gender identity is female. Does this make sense?

Not to me. You are using "female" to mean two different things, and I don't know what your second meaning is.

If you don't understand, that's not my problem.

beautyisthefaceisee · 11/07/2022 18:26

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 11/07/2022 18:24

The answer is no.

You do not get to unilaterally change the meaning of words, and if you are going to try, you are going to come up with new words to replace them. For example, my cat.

I thought she was "female". If female means whatever you think it does, what is she, my neighbour's dog, and the horse down the road?

Yes, but you cant just say "no" and it sticks. It doesn't work like that.

Flolawri · 11/07/2022 18:26

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 11/07/2022 18:24

The answer is no.

You do not get to unilaterally change the meaning of words, and if you are going to try, you are going to come up with new words to replace them. For example, my cat.

I thought she was "female". If female means whatever you think it does, what is she, my neighbour's dog, and the horse down the road?

Yet other posters are saying that they don't acknowledge the definition of cisgender because that's not what it means to them?

Davyjones · 11/07/2022 18:26

Give away is that she couldn’t back it up

tobee · 11/07/2022 18:27

What's the title of the thread again?

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 11/07/2022 18:28

actually, changed my mind. If "female" is a gender-identity, and my cat doesn't have a gender-identity, that means she can't get female specific cancers then. Because she doesn't have that gender-identity.

And I will never, ever have to have a smear again, because my gender identity isn't female. It's agender, acksherly. I can stop worrying about contraception too. Only females get pregnant and I'm not female, cos I is agender.

This is awesome!

HipTightOnions · 11/07/2022 18:29

tobee · 11/07/2022 18:27

What's the title of the thread again?

Good point.

I don't think "transgender" or "trans" are referred to (let alone defined) anywhere in law, so "cis" won't be either.

ErrolTheDragon · 11/07/2022 18:29

HipTightOnions · 11/07/2022 18:21

I'm cisgender as I was born female, and my gender identity is female. Does this make sense?

Not to me. You are using "female" to mean two different things, and I don't know what your second meaning is.

It makes sense if you believe you have a 'gender identity'.
It's not that we don't understand what you (the PP who was quoted here) mean by it, but it's something that many of us simply don't believe in. Its a bit like I understand what a Christian means if they say they're 'born again', or 'saved'. But I don't accept that it has any basis in reality which means I have to therefore be described as 'unsaved'.

I'm a woman, not a 'Ciswoman', because I don't have a 'gender identity' (just a sex, female, and an individual character). Does that make sense?