Is CIS a legal term?

[purpleboy]

So I had a conversation with a friend the other day who is adamant Cis is an accurate descriptor of women and that it is written into law?
I asked where but she couldn't specify just stating it's a factual term (referencing women) that is legally recognized.
I've had a look and can't seem to find anything to back this up, but I know the wise women here will know if there is any truth to this.
Thanks in advance.

People can stipulate pronouns if they want, but given pronouns are only ever used about you when talking about you (not to you) it seems a strange thing to be so hung up on if the intent is to establish your social gender identity. Nobody really owns pronouns. Pronouns are a third party kind of affair.

Yes. but as an intelligent woman, which you clearly are, you must understand that that statement hurts.

Now the fact that you dont care about hurting other people, well thats your look out.

I see it daily on these boards.

Daily.

Now the fact that you dont care about hurting other people, well thats your look out.

I care about their feelings at least as much as they care about mine.

You see it daily you report thems the rules

A polite truce is out of the question now. Feminists wont budge, and trans people will continue to suffer.

There's your problem though.

With your blanket statements about sex, you are not hurting the nutter on twitter whos offended you.

You are hurting my trans friend whos about as interested in invading your spaces as flying to the moon.

OFC they do. There are plenty of eminently sane and factual trans people about. The distinction from genderists is worth underlining (in fact a lot of gender SJW seem to self describe as cisgender).

Difficult to do when their offensive views are factual though. hence the "humans cant change sex" which should be the feminist boards' motto.

It hurts to say you can't change sex

Should we never say anything that might hurt anyone
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@onlywhenidream I agree. But they are copping for the actions of other people and collateral in the war.

You're being ridiculous.

It's not transphobic

Get over yourself

And yet there are people that define me as cis. When the correct descriptor is male/female or man/woman as they are the primary terms and no prior descriptor is needed.

I'm not going to lie about important facts which affect me, sorry. And I don't respond to guilt tripping, emotional blackmail or appeals to female socialisation.

What is the battleground of the “budging” and “suffering@ as you see it? Not whether women all have to submit to bing labelled cisgender whether they are or not?

Honestly, if we could all just agree that new concepts and ideologies need new terms and words, instead of existing words being repurposed and subverted, half the conflict would dissipate.

It is ridiculous to say that somethings should not be said because they are hurtful?

Exactly

It isn't any of the above. It's a fact (You like facts).

My transman friend is upset by the fact that people say things that eradicate his identity and frankly make him feel shit about himself. Why? He's a good person and doesn't deserve that.

And he'd be the first, as pointed out by PP, to defend your right to single sex spaces. As would I.

hence the "humans cant change sex" which should be the feminist boards' motto.

I quite agree. Maybe we could suggest a sticky post to MNHQ.

Feminists literally deny the identity of trans people.

So excuse me if I'm not up in arms about them being offended by cisgender.

re your second point, I agree.

I know we totally disagree, but I did laugh at that.

I say it is.

Get over yourself if you find ciswomen offensive.

See the problem? This will never be resolved in our lifetime.

@onlywhenidream my trans friends dont want to be more important. they want to be equal (not re safe spaces, before anyone starts). they just dont want to be mocked and belittled.

My transman friend is upset by the fact that people say things that eradicate his identity and frankly make him feel shit about himself. Why? He's a good person and doesn't deserve that.

I personally don't believe in "identity" as a meaningful way of categorising women and men into groups. It's that simple. I'm sorry your friend finds it difficult that people stubbornly insist on scientific facts rather than the narrative trans activists think everyone should follow, regardless of the harm it does to others, but there it is.

This! Thanks @GreenWillowAndCatkins.