And this is exactly why Posie Parker is a liability

[MerchedBeca]

Yes, she's charismatic, has style and says things out loud we all wish we'd had the ovaries to say.

But sometimes, the shit she says is fucking dangerous. HOW can she say she's standing for women's rights and then blithely say that our access to abortion is a price worth paying? WTFucking hell?

This isn't about elites, or head girls or any of that shit that Posie chucks at women who disagree with her. We're seeing the biggest pushback on women's rights since before women's lib, we need to build a grass roots movement to fight this, urgently, and Posie's tactics are harming us.

So, this morning someone called Billy Bragg out on his stance on women's rights, and he came back directly with a screenshot of Posie taking shit about Roe vs Wade.

We are NEVER going to convince the left wing that this is an issue they need to get to grips with if the loudest voice they hear on this Posie who's very obviously courting the US religious right, and if every time someone tries to have a conversation with the left about this topic, we're all smeared by association with Posie and whatever shit she's said recently. I know she says she's not a feminist but that detail is lost our detractors. She's a gift to those who want to paint us all as ultra right wing bigots, and this matters.

People like you are why your country is so toxic and extreme. It is all hysterical self-centred ranting. This is not a US site and I dont care to waste any more time on your shitty politics.

This is core TRA ideology BS of you are not with us as allies in the war you are against us.

Here is a little of how the UK works these days:

Trial by fire is not allowed.
Trial by tortured confession is not allowed.
Natural justice obliges the person making an allegation to produce evidence.
Innocent until proven guilty.

No, it's not a US site but it's certainly an international one with posters from all over.
Interesting how you won't even acknowledge other points of view and just metaphorically stick your fingers in your ears and just dismiss all concerns as hysterical ranting.
There's no "ranting", just different points of view.

Your last statement implying American women haven't realized historically they need to fight for their rights just exposes, once again, your total ignorance of American history.

This is funny. I bet my last dollar that I know far more about US history than you'd know about any other place outside, especially south east asia where I live. You ranting about your country's craziness and repeatedly trying to browbeat me into centering this argument around your toxicity is evidence enough for the bystander.

I treat MN as a british site and respect its particular concerns. I would abhor it turning into another quasi-American site.

you quite obviously can’t prove that something hasn’t happened

A liability. Because she said something that most of us wouldn't agree with, depending on the full quote which wasn't posted, maybe because it didn't say what the poster wanted to pretend she said.

Okay. If that's the game, every single TRA who has beaten women, that poor family in America who were murdered, the death and rape threats, the abuse, everything - let's discuss how much of a liability that all is.

By the way, some women are right wing. I may disagree with them politically but being women they are as much a part of feminism as me, you or any other woman and no one has the right to disenfranchise them from the movement. So I for one will not put up with a wedge being driven between us on the one issue where we really do and must stand together.

No, it's not a US site but it's certainly an international one with posters from all over

Well I live in Mexico so I hope you @GoodJanetBadJanet have a good understanding of the ins and outs of Mexican history, the Constitution and current affairs, because you know, it is an international site.

Lol.

True story. Roxanne Gay visited Singapore a few years ago and wrote on twitter about her visit to a chinese clan house. Triggered her US fans who went "OMG, a KKKlan house!" I kid you not. Asians who tried to intervene and explain the difference were given short shrift. That's cultural blindness and imperialism for you.

Because she said something that most of us wouldn't agree with,

There's no evidence she said anything in the OP!

In fact, she has said she is pro choice!

You know, there are lots of women fighting the cause but no one triggers opponents quite like Posie. It's extraordinary.

Good grief. You really are desperate.

You know, there are lots of women fighting the cause but no one triggers opponents quite like Posie. It's extraordinary

@Datun, that will be because she has never done anything worthwhile. 😂

Are you quite sure you meant to say that?

Very often, in adult life, you have to talk to people who disagree with you, and with whom you disagree.
So you try to have a discussion on both sides, and bring up credible evidence. Show your workings.
A cut-off Tweet is not really evidence. Is it?

KJK / PP has bucket loads of courage and has achieved a lot. This thread is nasty shit stirring

I don't quite understand why KJK/PP gets so much vitriol for a) having different opinions to other women and b) talking to people to try and get change to happen that others feel shouldn't be spoken to because of their position on other issues (like abortion). I'm relatively certain Posie's said a few times she'll talk to ANYONE about trying to prevent kids from being sterilised because she really, really wants to stop it happening. It doesn't mean she agrees with them on other issues.

I can only conclude that a those trying to get other women to turn on her for being insufficiently pure are jealous of her or fear her. I can't see any explanation other than these things which would provoke such a heated reaction to one woman doing activism the way she wants to on a specific subject.

blahblahblahspoons -

Yes! Woman accused of womanning wrongly! Shun her! Burn her!

Well said.

You know, there are lots of women fighting the cause but no one triggers opponents quite like Posie. It's extraordinary

I don’t think she triggers opponents. I think they actively seek out anything at all with her to use as a reason to come here and beat everyone with. It’s always Posie they use. Threads about her are always resurrected and bumped. It’s so transparent.

FWIW if I had a magic political/legislative wand and was allowed one wish, I’d wish for the immediate cessation of puberty blockers for gender non-conforming children. As soon as the first needle goes into a child they are on a pathway to irrevocable harm and it’s happening worldwide, on a daily/weekly basis.

As I said up thread, my concerns about PP aren't about purity. I haven't been vitriolic towards her, nor tried to persuade anyone to 'turn on her'.

My concern is about her working with groups - as a special advisory, speaker, mouth piece, which have explicit aims which harm women and other minority or less powerful groups.

These are incredibly well-funded, well-connected and powerful groups who are steadily building capacity and support. They are explicitly homophobic, anti-abortion and racist. Their foundational tenent is that C

No-one needs to convince them that gender ideology or telling children they they might be born in the wrong body is a bad idea. They already know that.

It doesn't matter whether anyone working with them, speaking at their events or repeating their statements doesn't agree with them about other issues. It's still building their platform and amplifying their views.

I haven't been vitriolic towards her, nor tried to persuade anyone to 'turn on her'.

Same

My concern is about her working with groups - as a special advisory, speaker, mouth piece, which have explicit aims which harm women and other minority or less powerful groups.
These are incredibly well-funded, well-connected and powerful groups who are steadily building capacity and support. They are explicitly homophobic, anti-abortion and racist. Their foundational tenent is that C
No-one needs to convince them that gender ideology or telling children they they might be born in the wrong body is a bad idea. They already know that.
It doesn't matter whether anyone working with them, speaking at their events or repeating their statements doesn't agree with them about other issues. It's still building their platform and amplifying their views
Exactly this, well said. This is my concern too.

@blahblahblahspoons

JKM has a "simple" clear message and imo understands people.

Watch the interview
The into
He is Dr AH
She is only JKM

He starts his pitch and sneer calling her Ms. Its a little verbal warfare, used to express his dislike of her.
While younger women may not fully understand the sneer, older ones will also understand the many ways women's titles (Miss/Ms/Mrs) have been uses to suppress women.
She corrects him, its Mrs
And used Mr for him.

How long did it take for the interviewer to drop the Dr and move to Mr. ?

He then ends up splitting his focus to demanding she uses doctor for him and goes on to state a woman is anyone who identifies as one

She basically took his little verbal grenade, looked at it, handed it back, and watches him pull the pin and self combust.

Well if left wing groups would admit that biology matters, a lot, and that women shouldn't be dehumanised by being reduced to body parts and that there are legitimate reasons for many things to be single sex, then Posie wouldn't have to speak to the right wing groups because she could speak to the left wing ones.

So maybe go and berate them for the massive liability they are. They've caused what's happened with Roe v Wade just as much as the right.

As soon as they'll let Posie speak I'm sure she'll reduce the amount of time she spends with the right wing groups.

🤪 JKM

KJKM
☺

About 4 people commented when you first said this: 4 opportunities for you to retract or explain. You’ve been back to the thread and you haven’t done so so it seems fair assume you really do think this a reasonable way to conduct a debate:
Make an accusation.
Demand that the accused proves the accusation is false.
Pronounce guilt.

The Witchfinder General himself could not have spelt it out more clearly, and yet you have the nerve to try and lecture us about how we should conduct ourselves and who we should talk to.