And this is exactly why Posie Parker is a liability

[MerchedBeca]

Yes, she's charismatic, has style and says things out loud we all wish we'd had the ovaries to say.

But sometimes, the shit she says is fucking dangerous. HOW can she say she's standing for women's rights and then blithely say that our access to abortion is a price worth paying? WTFucking hell?

This isn't about elites, or head girls or any of that shit that Posie chucks at women who disagree with her. We're seeing the biggest pushback on women's rights since before women's lib, we need to build a grass roots movement to fight this, urgently, and Posie's tactics are harming us.

So, this morning someone called Billy Bragg out on his stance on women's rights, and he came back directly with a screenshot of Posie taking shit about Roe vs Wade.

We are NEVER going to convince the left wing that this is an issue they need to get to grips with if the loudest voice they hear on this Posie who's very obviously courting the US religious right, and if every time someone tries to have a conversation with the left about this topic, we're all smeared by association with Posie and whatever shit she's said recently. I know she says she's not a feminist but that detail is lost our detractors. She's a gift to those who want to paint us all as ultra right wing bigots, and this matters.

Going back to the Billy Bragg quotation in the OP, context is everything. I've heard Posie say she is being nagged and vilified for her single issue campaign and for working with women across the political spectrum. With her, it's not a case of, "I don't care about abortion" but rather, "I won't put the fight for abortion rights above my concerns about children and the trans issue, and I won't dilute my platform to cover other issues that are not as important to me". I can't find the video of that exact quotation BB has linked (such that it is in the OP), but the first video linked below sees her explaining her position in very similar terms to those BB quotes: that preventing harm to children by TRAs is more important to her than anything else; further, that if others don't agree with her, that's their choice; and that she doesn't understand why she is being held responsible for the RvW overturning.

With regard to the latter, it's completely ridiculous that she is being connected with and even blamed for something that has been the gameplay of Republicans for decades. The Democratic establishment really need to take a long hard look in the mirror. The Republicans didn't suddenly change track here, they have always been gunning for RvW to be overturned ever since it became law. The Dems on the other hand have promised and failed to deliver watertight protection for abortion time and time again. Not only did the Obama administration fail to do anything about codifying it at federal level (which he had promised to so do whilst running, and had the power to so do when first elected), but he also made massive compromises to women's ability to get insurance coverage for abortion in order to push though the Affordable Care Act.

KJK is pro choice, she has said this many times and the second video linked is her saying as much a couple of weeks ago.

Watch from 4.45:

Watch from 13.25 (confirming to US viewers she is pro choice)

As a gender critical woman, I'll talk to anyone and everyone.

When people turn up and yell at me that I am not allowed to speak to x, y or z, because they stink - then you are 7 years old and back in the school playground.

No,

I'll speak to whoever I want. Don't you dare tell me who I can and can't speak to because I'm a woman.

Men and women, from whatever wing of politics, who perform the pretence that men can be women, can all fuck off on that. Men can never be women.

What groups?

WoLF is the only group she has an actual working relationship with.

Have you actually looked at what WoLF do and have done for women?

Have you read about the legal challenges they have made in key US cases? Read their amicus briefs?

Are you aware that they were bang on in their legal understanding of the Harris funeral homes/Bostock case and how it would be used to replace sex with gender when all the 'gender criticals' who purport to be 'on the left' said they were wrong?

Your posts are repeatedly providing incorrect information with no evidence. Why?

Floisme I don't know if the article is online - it's from a Jayne Egerton piece from the Radical Notion, I believe.

And if you get a chance, look up the special advisory board for WoLF, the events that PP's spoken at, her support of Trump and Tommy Robinson which are all online.

I haven't said lectured anyone about how they should conduct themselves or who they should talk to. Just pointed out that allying with the Christian Evangalical right is supporting a deeply conservative, racist, homophobic, misogynist and anti-abortion agenda.

I don't think PP has a problem with that - she positions herself as a single issue campaigner. And she's superb at it - that interview with Harrap is fantastic.

But people don't live single issue lives and these organisations have a much, much broader agenda of pretty much removing every progressive gain that has been made for minority or less powerful groups since the 1960-70s.

And they're doing it very well at the moment in the States, being amplified by much smaller campaigns who have turned to them as they can't get any traction with the left.

God these weekly threads about KJK are so dreary. Same nonsense every time. Witchfinders everywhere. So tedious. Like her or don't like her, we don't care.

WoLF have done and do some excellent work, agreed. They have also received funding from the ADF. I understand why - no-one else will fund them and they want to continue their work.

And ADF's explicit agenda is to reverse all the civil rights gains of the last 50-60 years.

PP has worked with other 'family values' groups in the US as part of her single issue campaigning - have a google if you don't believe me.

Church of England! The ordination of women as priests was approved by the General Synod in 1992 and began in 1994.

That's no time at all, in historical terms.

And already, they're saying that they can't tell who are women??!!

Laughing my arse off!

All the time, energy and focus put into working with these groups effectively builds their capacity and means that time, energy and focus isn't put into working towards women's rights/liberation/feminism or whatever term you want to use.

And that might be absolutely fine for some, but it does nothing to build any sort of autonomous women's movement.

Here's JKR giving Matt Walsh praise for his 'What is a Woman' film.

Link to tweet

"And your film did a good job exposing the incoherence of gender identity theory and some of the harms it's done. Many institutions I used to admire have uncritically embraced this dogma, but I reserve my ire for them rather than shouting 'coward' at individual women."

Shall we set the pitchforks on her now too? Or is it sinking in that people can converse with others who they're diametrically opposed to, without the sky falling down?

• Jhaven't lectured anyone about how they should conduct themselves or who they should talk to. Just pointed out that allying with the Christian Evangalical right is supporting a deeply conservative, racist, homophobic, misogynist and anti-abortion agenda. Same, I haven't either and agree with this.

You christina are the one making the accusation so you are the one who needs to ante up the evidence. Slinging shit knowing some will stick is behaviour I associate with TRAs. Just sayin.

Thanks OP!

I am one of those lefties that have been turned away from GC, even though I agree that in view of self id, we should protect single sex spaces. However, seeing many GC women get in bed with racists and misogynists and advocate for Trump, I’d rather ally with TRAs. While I am not a single issue person, keeping abortion rights is a far more important issue for me. It is true that PP can do and say what she wants but that’s true for many of us.

I personally find Trans activist less objectionable than Tony Robinson and will get over my aversion to TW is a woman is a woman. We are all adults and can ally with people that we don’t completely agree with.

What did Tony Robinson do to you? Show us on the bad touch bear.

I personally find Trans activist less objectionable than Tony Robinson

What did Tony do to you? Did you end up at the wrong end of one of his cunning plans?

and you are a trans activist as well as an American, stop being so obvious.

I'm going to bookmark this bit to come back to when I need to laugh hysterically

Don’t have to justify my likes or dislikes but normally racism is a red flag

Knitting, you do know how internet forums work, right?
People reply to other comments.
I was replying to another comment.
That's what people tend to do, tough if you don't like that.

Look what he's been up to. The utter bastard.
www.expressandstar.com/entertainment/showbiz/2020/04/29/sir-tony-robinson-older-people-forgotten-in-coronavirus-pandemic/

Poor Baldrick, always gets the blame.

i am neither!

but believe what you will. I haven’t come to change your mind, just describing what changed mine.

We as women have different priorities and even if we agree on one issue will not result in uniform action.

Tony Robinson what a bastard!!!

The anti-women crew! What a shower of mistakes and misinformation!

Sorry meant Tommy R.

but the point stands.
glad I provided joy in your life.

Actually you’re a hypocrite MagnificentDelurker.

You are accusing others of “get[ting] in bed” with people for the sake of a single issue [self ID] at the expense of other issues [abortion], but you’re prepared to get in bed with people you don’t agree with about other issues [self ID] for the sake of a single issue [abortion].

What you fail to grasp is that no one is “getting in bed” or “aligning” with anyone. It’s so utterly trite and tiresome. I agree with people about trans ideology and don’t agree with them about abortion. It’s that simple. It’s called being a grown up.