And this is exactly why Posie Parker is a liability

[MerchedBeca]

Yes, she's charismatic, has style and says things out loud we all wish we'd had the ovaries to say.

But sometimes, the shit she says is fucking dangerous. HOW can she say she's standing for women's rights and then blithely say that our access to abortion is a price worth paying? WTFucking hell?

This isn't about elites, or head girls or any of that shit that Posie chucks at women who disagree with her. We're seeing the biggest pushback on women's rights since before women's lib, we need to build a grass roots movement to fight this, urgently, and Posie's tactics are harming us.

So, this morning someone called Billy Bragg out on his stance on women's rights, and he came back directly with a screenshot of Posie taking shit about Roe vs Wade.

We are NEVER going to convince the left wing that this is an issue they need to get to grips with if the loudest voice they hear on this Posie who's very obviously courting the US religious right, and if every time someone tries to have a conversation with the left about this topic, we're all smeared by association with Posie and whatever shit she's said recently. I know she says she's not a feminist but that detail is lost our detractors. She's a gift to those who want to paint us all as ultra right wing bigots, and this matters.

I agree with you to a large degree mirax.

The left have changed from 'a waste of space' to 'actively dangerous' in recent years for me.

And if Julie Bindel and other journos didn't publish in the Times, Spiked online etc they wouldn't be published.

Although utilising these right wing media platforms is different to actively working with the right.

Don't be silly they are not facts.

They are perjorative descriptions which, in your opinion, apply.

The problem you have is that perjorative descriptions, or slurs, used with the definitive pronouncement you seem to think you own, no longer work for most of us on here anymore, not since we discovered ourselves on the end of the accusations of transphobia with just the same zeal and confidence you display.

I'm intrigued how do you defend yourself as a woman when the word woman can mean a man who says he is a woman? If you want access to a single sex ward in a hospital how do you do this when woman can mean man or woman?

But @GoodJanetBadJanet how do you know you’re a woman? If no one can define woman, how can anyone be one? If woman can mean any human being, how can we fight for women’s rights, fight sexism and fight misogyny. I know none of these things affect you, but they do for millions of females around the world. .

Im not a posie ‘fan’

but honestly the amount of threads about her started by people that don’t like her and want other posters to stop paying attention to her vastly out numbers positive posie posters threads (see what i did there 😀)

if you don’t want me to have anything to do with her or pay her any attention then maybe you should stop bringing her to my sodding attention

just ignore her or pop on positive posie threads to say what you don’t like about her, it seems to be a bloody thread a week at the moment!

(general you…)

I'm trying to follow this argument and I've just spent a lovely half hour watching Lisa Michele describe her changing views and the video posted up thread.

I can't help think that this is a situation where the lens of 'what matters most' is being interpreted through U.K. v US feminism and laws, culture and politics.

@mirax - um, no, my post was in reference to the poster who was parroting US right wing talking points about reversing Roe not being anti-women. I'm not offended if you don't care US women or US abortion rights. We're not entitled to anyone's support, although I appreciate all the support we get here on MN.

Look if people are going to discuss Roe and rely on ahistorical and inaccurate US based legal arguments to defend it's reversal, then I'm going to speak out. That doesn't mean I'm forcing US history or cultural problems on non-Americans.

And the US anti-abortion rhetoric absolutely has a chilling effect on health clinics around the world that receive US aid. To suggest otherwise, misunderstands who controls the money in the US federal government (it's not the President).

Keep hating on America all you want, but don't think for one minute these alt right facists who want to reinstall Trump as dictator don't pose a threat to you. There is no country on earth that will be safe.

Anyone who tries to draw parallels between US and U.K. politics is an idiot.

I'm embarrassed for you.

just ignore her or pop on positive posie threads to say what you don’t like about her
Ah yes, that always goes well, I remember the last thread that did just that 😂
Anyone deviating against the fawning posts got "why are you on this thread? Go say it to her!" (Don't think they understood how internet chat discussions work)
and aways ed back to discussions about her "beautiful" hair.
Don't talk about issues people. Just her hair and ovaries of steel awesomeness.

led back that should read

I agree, and I think most people I know feel the same way. It's the identity-politics crowd who don't understand that. They have a readymade set of mantras that they have to recite and believe every day, with no changes or variations. They didn't invent them and they don't really understand them, but they believe fervently in the doctrine's absolute truth. It's a religion, really.

I may strongly disagree with right wing women & their politics generally, but the way that every Tory throwing their hat in the ring is having to come up with something convincing on this issue, shows the work put in by those women is having an impact.
Yes it has been instructive, more than a little humbling and frankly quite glorious to see.
Meanwhile has Keir Starmer kept his promise yet to meet with the Labour Women's Declaration?

I'm trying to follow this argument and I've just spent a lovely half hour watching Lisa Michele describe her changing views and the video posted up thread.

I can't help think that this is a situation where the lens of 'what matters most' is being interpreted through U.K. v US feminism and laws, culture and politics.

Clymene is more to the point that me

"I'm embarrassed for you.*
I'm embarrassed for those who think just because it's in America it can never affect us.
That if abortion rights are taken away never mind, we can just get them back at a later date ( don't think it quite works like that)
Have definitely seen that said by a few.

Have definitely seen that said by a few.

Source, please. This is so tiresome.

And I don’t believe you give a single shiny shit about abortion rights, or women’s rights generally. Your entire concern on this board is berating actual wonen on behalf of men who identify as women.

As many have pointed out it was never ratified in law. Which is a disgrace and tragedy.

It is here.

And I don’t believe you give a single shiny shit about abortion rights, or womens rights generally*
I can assure you I definitely do care a great deal about abortion rights, I agree strongly in a woman's right to bodily autonomy.
Nobody should ever be forced to give birth.

I can assure you

Yes, I already understand that you're purporting to care about abortion rights, by all means carry on purporting and I will carry on not believing you. You only even pretend to care about women's rights when you can attempt to weaponise women's rights against GC women, as you're doing here.

It's excruciatingly clear that you don't care about women, but see women, if you're even capable of seeing us at all, as collateral damage in the ongoing war against reality being waged by males with a "woman" identity. The way you are weaponising the abortion issue here, to women's detriment, is characteristic.

<sigh> American politics doesn't work like U.K. politics. We don't have a Supreme Court. We don't have a Bible Belt.

There have been attempts to reduce the time limits here (never to repeal the 1967 Act) but they have all failed. There hasn't been one for several years.

This is scaremongering nonsense and I stand by my previous post.

It's an idiotic position. I'm guessing you e never lived in the US or you wouldn't make such fatuous comparisons.

Yes, I already understand that you're purporting to care about abortion rights
I've always cared about abortion rights for the reasons I stated in my previous post.

I havent seen much parroting of RW talking points on MN. Practically everyone agrees that striking Roe V Wade was not good for women in certain states in the US. You are trying to argue that the rest of the world is imperiled by US political skirmishes but not presenting any evidence for it. You have to do better than to accuse me of hating the US - I dont- and warning me using the Trump bogeyman. I am not 5 years old. The last sentence is pure hyperbole and almost cartoonish in its effect.

All human rights must be constantly guarded - no piece of paper is ever going going to deliver a permanent solution. I think gender woo has shown us how quickly the landscape can shift, the experts and institutions be captured and the grassroots instinct for self-preservation that drives the GC movement is feminism in its purest form. Hopefully the women in the US - rich and educated, poor and isolated, can discover that for themselves.

Abortion rights aren't completely ratified in law in the UK though.

The 1967 Act effectively created loop holes (two doctors etc) to prevent women being prosecuted under the Offences against the Person Act 1861.

Just this week, Nadine Dorries has thrown her hat in the ring for reducing the time limit on abortion (other than on ground e from what she said).

The US is so powerful that any major legislative and ideological change there spreads across the world (see gender ideology for an example).

We don't have a Supreme Court.

We do, actually. Remember Baroness Hale and the proroguing of parliament?

Our supreme court isn't much like the US one, though.

So you took a look at the leadership team of the Heritage Foundation then MalagaNights and thought 'yes, this looks like a group that will definitely foreground women's rights'.

Or the mission statement of the ADF 'guaranteeing the right to life from conception to natural death'?

These are facts there for you in black and white.