Penny Mordaunt thinks we're stupid. Her thread on Twitter...

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... makes no mention of her standing at the Dispatch Box in Parliament saying TWAW TMAM.

Tell us you've changed your mind , Penny, or don't bother.

twitter.com/pennymordaunt/status/1545908402475438080?s=21&t=ZSHEr4Fn9b9DGh7JkJC95Q

I agree kat, and maybe she is, at the same time it's just occurred to me that I feel all the candidates will make sure they know what a woman is right now. Their party is behind them.

I want to see Labour (and the other parties) U turning.

I can't work out with a hangover if this will impact the other sides or not.

From what I can glean someone has fucked up her ad; including an image of Jo Cox and Oscar Pitoruius?!

Does worry me a bit that if the Tories go full TERF, Labour will double down on TWAW.

as the SNP cry "hold my beer"...

Delighted this is part of the conversation around any leadership bid. Keep pulling!

Frankly this whole Tory leadership battle is an embarrassment.

We have candidates promising huge tax cuts without a mention of how these would be funded, vague nonsense about destroying "wokeness" as if this was the nation's priority or even possible, threats to Net Zero in the face of environmental catastrophe and cynical manoeuverings around women's rights about which I doubt any of the candidates give a rat's arse.

I'm not going to vote for this shower.

If Labour do get into power I suspect they will introduce self-ID but maintain single-sex exemptions - there will be so many massive problems to deal with that I doubt whether they'll have the energy to do anything else. Tony Blair had a massive majority but that didn't save him from a world of trouble over the fox hunting ban and this would be the same. I'd sooner take the chance I'm wrong about that than vote for a party that has done, is doing and will do so much catastrophic damage.

@LarryBlackmonsCodpiece The comments on that times article, holy hell. The tide is a turning

I had no idea this was the case!

I can't see the comments on the Times article, assuming you have to be a subscriber to see them?

@WarriorN That is huge, almost makes you think someone on her campaign doesn't like her!

Exactly what I was thinking!

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It's weasley words. There's biological women and legal women but at no point does she say both types of women shouldn't be treated the same, at no point does she say that 'legal' women of the non biological kind shouldn't have full access to women's spaces. She's saying a lot of words without actually saying anything. If twaw then all her words still apply

Thank you @McDuffy - I cancelled my Times subscription in disgust maybe 3 years ago, but have thought more and more over the past 12 months about resubscribing.

The problem is, Self ID means that men don't have to do any of that (removal of said testicles), just self declare as a woman, sign a form and hey presto - are supposed to be legally accepted as women for all purposes. The vast majority of transwomen (i.e. biological males) don't undergo any surgery.

This is obviously problematic for women, and is why there are male rapists with full functioning penises in women's prisons, males competing in women's sports etc.

If you think it would never happen, it's already happening.

It's gone up to £26 a month but allowed several devices for that so my mum and sister use mine too.

I'm all for u-turning, great please please do, but...

This isn't just some celebrity, it's a potential PM. I need them to have an absolutely squeaky clean background on this issue to truly trust them with this, which sadly she doesn't have.

I'm very happy she's realising this issue really does matter and hopefully this'll inform her as an MP, but I would not want her to be PM.

Is she jumping ship?

I don’t think she is.

Her tweets are all about gender and not sex

She supports women. In her terms that also includes men who have decided to change gender.

I thought the term of dressing and presenting as someone of the opposite sex was transvestite

It used to be, but no longer

I would be interested in which women's groups she consulted when launching the GRA reform consultation. WPUK, Fair Play for Women?

And the balance of consultation between trans lobby groups like Stonewall and those concerned about the protection of women's sex based rights.

Building golden bridges for those who change their mind is all very well but it seems like she has actually been lying in that twitter thread (about the word 'woman' in maternity legislation - which she did not fight to re-insert). Somebody who is lying is maybe not someone I want on my fancy bridge in case they vandalise it.

I actually think what she says in the thread is ok as far as it goes (not that far). She doesn't address what she thinks being legally female (but biologically male) means re access to women's spaces nor anything about self ID but her characterisation of people born male being legally female after the gender recognition process is accurate.

I think part of what all this uncovers is how many people have been saying TWAW to mean something like "obviously TWANW but I want to be supportive of them and their right to present themselves to the world as they are" and now seem surprised that people have taken them literally, while (as anyone paying attention is aware) other people meant them literally all along.

‘I think part of what all this uncovers is how many people have been saying TWAW to mean something like "obviously TWANW but I want to be supportive of them and their right to present themselves to the world as they are" and now seem surprised that people have taken them literally, while (as anyone paying attention is aware) other people meant them literally all along.’

Yes. And as soon as you say the real answer, you’re a ‘te*f’, as Penny found out yesterday. Being compassionate isn’t good enough, you have to lie.

That consultation list in full:
Stonewall

Penny Mordaunt is one of the chief architects of Self ID. www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/07/02/penny-mordaunt-interview-gender-recognition-act/

Compare that interview with her Mnet one.😬