LibDems and the LBGAlliance

[ChristinaXYZ]

twitter.com/mikedixn/status/1545468040711651329

Unbelievable: the LGBAlliance tweet that they're going to be at all the party conferences "we’ll be running a stand and a fringe event at the Lib Dems' annual bash in Brighton in September" and whoops the LibDems CEO tweets there has been an administrative error and there is no stand after all for the LGBA, "This is not correct. To confirm: you do not have a stand or a fringe at Lib Dem Conference. I have checked with the team and there has been an administrative error. Sorry for any confusion or inconvenience." A very half-heart apology there.

The LibDems have obviously been fielding complaints from teenagers again.

Why would anyone who is gay, or any woman, attend the LibDem conference with the intolerant attitudes they have?

You think they're so tainted that a rebrand won't cut the mustard?

I doubt he made defamatory remarks, I suspect he just stated the simple truth that they are a transphobic organisation.

e.g. Such as when they said trans people were as unnatural as "vegan cats":

twitter.com/MrJohnNicolson/status/1535349212753317888

Of course, many LGB Alliance supporters are straights who just don't want gays to get married at all.

e.g. Baroness Nicholson who said it would "degrade" women:
twitter.com/owenjones84/status/1277648813642129410

Or Jackie Doyle Price who is against it because it “interferes in church affairs” and “for me marriage is a sacrament, it is not a creation of the state”. (Wait until she hears about all the denominations that want to marry gays)

Both these women are homophobes and it is no surprise to me that they are proud supporters of the LGBA.

The LGBA is a group that proudly welcomes straight homophobes so long as they also don't like trans people.

Do you think Baroness Nicholson and Jackie Doyle Price (both LGB Alliance supporters) are bigots or gay allies?

There is some impressive clown dancing on this thread.

Because they’re the wrong sort of lesbian and gay.

And we have been through this before.

You are unable to see any alternative viewpoints other than your own polarised view. Everyone reading can see it and only some posters who may be similarly deeply prejudiced with no evidence will agree with you.

Still, thanks for continuing to give a live demonstration of extreme activists tactics. You actually have encouraged some new posters to post on the thread in support of views other than yours.

And it keeps the thread bumped.

The SDP are gender critical

sdp.org.uk/policies/transgender-and-biological-sex-based-rights/

and have the added benefit of not being communist.

As are Reclaim - Fox made the case for women's spaces when he ran for London mayor, and the piece he has produced about transgender ideology in schools is excellent (linked from the twitter page twitter.com/thereclaimparty - it is called Groomed). Fox also called Penny Mordant out on his own twitter

twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1546062493830750209

If the Tories choose Kemi Badenoch they'll be gender critical I'm sure of it.

There are plenty of people who are "ambivalent" about marriage. All of those who seek to ban one group of people from the institution are bigoted - whether their target is gay people or couples from different races or religions etc.

What do people who wish to ban a group of people from marriage got to do with LGB Alliance?

Or are you trying to imply that the LGB Alliance wish to ‘ban’ marriage for same sex couples? When this would be complete bollocks to make that connection in any way.

I suppose no one even here is bold enough to say that someone who is against mixed couples marrying is not a bigot?

And what the fuck!

Are you so desperate now that you are making up stuff about what posters here believe or not? How quickly did that straw man get built?

Do you actually think that posters here are not bold enough to speak up about their opinions?

That is quite the reach there. Maybe you need something for that massive overstretch.

Well I know many (not sure if it's hundreds, I've never counted) but lots of lesbians who are staunch supporters of the LGBA as they are grateful there is a charity that represents them. They are all same sex attracted not same gender and say that they think stonewall is homophobic.

I do know some lesbians who think stonewall represents them, they are generally younger and less well versed on lesbian history I find. They also are attracted to lesbians with penis's so I would describe them as bi, though they would of course say they're not.

It's interesting that there does often seem to be a marked difference in the way younger and older women see this situation. Younger women generally are pro self Id, male lesbians etc and all think sex work is work. By contrast older women seem to see the nuances more. Thankfully as a younger person who runs heavily in LGBT circles I'm able to disabuse some of these youngers of the view that all older women are bigoted for their views. It's funny because they can't argue with me when I say sex work is definitely not work as I've been a sex worker for a decade. I think female socialization has a lot to answer for, women seem to give less of a fuck the older they get and this can only be a good thing.

Still, thanks for continuing to give a live demonstration of extreme activists tactics.

If anyone is extreme it's the good Baroness 🤣

OMG not this again. You do know at the time many LGB people and groups actually thought the same.

With allies like Laurence Fox who needs enemies?

"For a child to grow up with two lesbian mothers is neither natural or normal"

I don't think so.

There's someone on here with such a bee in their bonnet about the LGB Alliance that one has to wonder what skin they have in the game? Maybe a court case coming up?

Do charities have to now prove not only their own purity, but the purity of everyone who supports them to be considered worthy enough of being a charity?

Do the Cats Protection League have to submit accounts of all their supporters and how many of them also own dogs?

This is absurd. The Liberal Democrats are banning a charity that exists to support lesbians and gays. That's is in and of itself homophobic and discriminatory.

The LGB Alliance were founded by lesbians and gays who have been in the activist community for decades.

Might I ask, exactly how many clowns can dance on the head of a pin?

If anyone on this thread wants to support the LGB Alliance in defence of their charity status, they have a crowdfunder.

Yes, according to the Electoral Commission the Lib Dems have received about £1.4 million from the period 2013 - 2019 from Ferring Pharmaceuticals, a company who make puberty blockers. Very dodgy indeed.

the phrase you need to look for is "Defend LGB Alliance's Charity Status" in the usual place for crowd funding justice

People who want to ban mixed race couples from marriage are no more bigoted than people who wish to ban gays from marriage. In the United States both bans were overturned in living memory by the Supreme Court - Loving v Virginia and Obergefell v. Hodges.

I know as a correspondent of Baroness Nicholson (who thinks gay marriage "degrades women") that might be hard to accept but it is nonetheless.

The LGB Alliance is the perfect organisation for her and other bigots.

@Hearach15

You really, really need to move on from your homophobia. Perhaps counselling or some sort of therapy?

This is a quote from Baroness Nicholson to all who do not know.

She is a prominent LGB Alliance supporter, homophobe and by the sounds of it a misogynist too (women don't need a man around to raise a child).

Your US-based biases mean you simply haven’t got a clue about the U.K. context, @Hearach15 . The US Supreme Court has no relevance here and interracial marriage has never been “banned” in the U.K.

Interracial marriage was also banned in Australia - a country which for many years was part of the British Empire.

"Beginning in the 1860s in Victoria and culminating in the 1930s in West Australia and Queensland, authorities assumed ever more control of who Indigenous people married. In Queensland the purpose was to prevent miscegenation by preventing black/white marriages."

You are aware of the relevance of the British Empire to the United Kingdom?

www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-01/croomemarriage/2778326