LibDems and the LBGAlliance

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Unbelievable: the LGBAlliance tweet that they're going to be at all the party conferences "we’ll be running a stand and a fringe event at the Lib Dems' annual bash in Brighton in September" and whoops the LibDems CEO tweets there has been an administrative error and there is no stand after all for the LGBA, "This is not correct. To confirm: you do not have a stand or a fringe at Lib Dem Conference. I have checked with the team and there has been an administrative error. Sorry for any confusion or inconvenience." A very half-heart apology there.

The LibDems have obviously been fielding complaints from teenagers again.

Why would anyone who is gay, or any woman, attend the LibDem conference with the intolerant attitudes they have?

People are perfectly entitled to be a part of the LGBA, I am equally entitled to say its agenda is actually harmful to the LGBT community.

Yeah, that is me told good and proper.

Well, were you unaware that gay couples had legal protection in the form of civil partnerships prior to marriage equality?

Follow the money.

this is from a GC blog, but has a link to Electoral Commission - quite an eye opener in my opinion.

gendercriticalwoman.blog/2022/04/03/liberal-democrats-big-pharma/

I was not unaware. But you seemed to be.

As LGB Alliance was tweeting specifically about ‘marriage’ and you are keen to label them as hateful for it.

Yes. You are entitled to your opinion.

Other people are entitled to point out how that opinion is not supported by evidence and how you have continued to demonise a group for your own political agenda.

And now you are attempting to gatekeep discussion around LGB Alliance on a feminist board making claims that seem poorly supported and that lack broader thought.

It is a bit like how in the early 20th century many woman campaigned against giving women the vote. Nowadays women are nearly unanimous that it is sexist to oppose giving women the right to vote.

It really isn’t; and @Hearach15 I recall other previous threads, on which you have had the history of opinion about marriage in the gay community explained to you in great detail; as well as threads in which posters have corrected your misinformation on the LGB Alliance in detail. So I’m assuming that you are not engaging in this thread in good faith.

If you were aware that civil partnerships existed then why would anyone in Britain oppose gay marriage on the grounds that "Many people would have liked the choice of legal protection under another name than ‘marriage’."

We already had that, we were asking for something else because we wanted people to have the choice.

because maybe you only take a very narrow time slice in your interpretation of what I said?

Maybe I existed in a time before alternative legal partnerships of any kind for any couple existed outside marriage?

I don't think you understand what the word bigot means. Lots of people are ambivalent about marriage, whether gay or straight.

Most people, however, would surely be horrified to learn that gender ideologists including (incredibly) the CEO of Stonewall say that lesbians, i.e. females who are same-sex attracted, should be open to having sex with male-bodied people who identify as women, and those who won't consider it are bigots. The LGBA Alliance is very clear that they are there to campaign for same-sex attracted people, not same-gender. The difference is very important.

This explains their rationale. It was obviously voted on.

morningstaronline.co.uk/article/women-class-and-gender-%E2%80%93-communist-perspective

There was also a thread here c2018 or 2019 on the communist party of Greece (I think - or maybe Portugal?!) who took a similar view, with a translation of their essay explaining.

@IdisagreeMrHochhauser thank you for the info - I have signed up on the website!!

I'm not that desperate 😂

Woohoo. Welcome aboard.

There are plenty of people who are "ambivalent" about marriage. All of those who seek to ban one group of people from the institution are bigoted - whether their target is gay people or couples from different races or religions etc.

I suppose no one even here is bold enough to say that someone who is against mixed couples marrying is not a bigot?

Should be noted as well the LGB Alliance have been referred to Commons security for sending gay MP John Nicolson abuse.

"On April 21 last year, LGB Alliance tweeted: “To everyone who is annoyed by the defamatory remarks made about us by the MP (really!) @MrJohnNicolson, who clearly doesn’t have a clue who we are or what we do: please make a donation to us IN HIS NAME and we will tweet out your message.” #FactsNotLies”

"A number of donations made to the group’s JustGiving page were later refunded to individuals who left donations and comments impersonating Mr Nicolson, before the platform closed down the group’s fundraising page completely, citing a violation of its platform guidelines."

www.scotsman.com/news/politics/house-of-commons-speaker-refers-historic-abuse-sent-by-lgb-alliance-to-scottish-mp-john-nicolson-to-security-after-david-amess-killing-3445737

Not sure what encouraging online abuse against a gay MP has to do with LGB rights but I've no doubt people on here will still defend this odious crowd.

Wtf, did you actually read that link? The point was that the MP had made defamatory remarks, not LGB Alliance. You gender ideologues do twist everything backwards, don’t you.

I suppose no one even here is bold enough to say that someone who is against mixed couples marrying is not a bigot?

Good grief — it’s endless brainless and false analogies here today, isn’t it? The entire point that gay people objected to in marriage was its heteronormativity (as well as its religious roots). The comparison just doesn’t work.

But, as I said, I’ve seen threads before on which these issues have been patiently explained to you; and yet here you are again with the same mouldy old points and bad arguments that misunderstand and misrepresent. And they don’t get any better for the repeated airing.

You're brave!
I gave up and left a few years ago.
I have attended the feminist zoom meetings though.
What did it for me was the libdem feminist group on Facebook who here the discussion was all about learning from women with penises.

I actually think @Hearach15 is the only bigot one this thread.

I'm not aware of any lesbians in real life (and I know hundreds) who support LGB Alliance. The general perception is they largely comprise white GC feminists and straight people masquerading as lesbians in an attempt to split the LGBT community.

“straight people masquerading as lesbians”

Oh the irony.

So you are claiming LGB is full of transpeople? I’m pretty sure it’s not. Are these the same hundreds that @Hearach15 knows or is it different hundreds?

Apart from the actual lesbians who set up the LGB Alliance you mean?

And thanks “straight ppl masquerading as lesbians” is such a perfect description of men masquerading as women and thence demanding to be called lesbians

Whether you support them or not there is no doubt that their name is irrevocably tarnished.

Rebrand incoming?

You'd have to be wilfully stupid to interpret that tweet that way. This doesn't in any way compare with actual abuse and threats of violence, which are commonplace coming from gender ideologues towards anybody who disagrees with them.

Nonsense.