LibDems and the LBGAlliance

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Unbelievable: the LGBAlliance tweet that they're going to be at all the party conferences "we’ll be running a stand and a fringe event at the Lib Dems' annual bash in Brighton in September" and whoops the LibDems CEO tweets there has been an administrative error and there is no stand after all for the LGBA, "This is not correct. To confirm: you do not have a stand or a fringe at Lib Dem Conference. I have checked with the team and there has been an administrative error. Sorry for any confusion or inconvenience." A very half-heart apology there.

The LibDems have obviously been fielding complaints from teenagers again.

Why would anyone who is gay, or any woman, attend the LibDem conference with the intolerant attitudes they have?

"I was told that lots of older grassroots libs left the party around the time of the coalition and shortly afterwards, and the gaps were filled by people with other agendas that weren't anything to do with traditional lib values. They sort of took over a shell of an empty party?

I don't know if that's true. But judging by their online presence, none seem very liberal, in the traditional sense."

I take liberal to mean something else personally when referring to what emerged from The Liberal Party. See the party at the time of Jeremy Thorpe and Cyril Smith

I find the fixation and obsession with definitions to be divisive, distracting and focussed on othering and alienating people. I feel that the energies devoted to it are counter-productive and will not achieve anything of real benefit to any of the players involved.

Do you now.

So you define yourself as lesbian, you go to lesbian spaces and yet you have no idea what one actually is? What a surprise.

So if someone said 'a lesbian is a person who votes Tory' you would think that was fine?
And if they based their policies on it? And homosexual women were no longer protected, described by or provided for by anything calling itself for 'lesbians' unless they happened to be Tory voters?

What a profoundly stupid take. To fling words around and pretend they have no meaning. And to be proud of that stance.

It really saws the green why children baby that sort of hello.

I used to be a Young Lib member years ago in South Wales. We had trouble opening up the Club to other than men, women NOT allowed to play Snooker, "Well they might rip the cloth"!

We simply have had no experience of bad faith self-ID processes in our groups.

For the tiny minority of trans lesbians that do join and regularly participate this place has usually been arrived at after a hugely traumatic period of reflection and pain where they lose many other support networks and expect abuse around every corner. It is a not a frivolous or bad-faith process, but a genuinely held self-concept, and I am not about to call them out on that. The relief and appreciation that they feel, that any of us feel actually, knowing what it's like to be a minority and to have a space where you feel welcome and supported without someone questioning who you are, is very evident.

They are probably, out of everyone, least likely to do anything that would compromise their ability to participate in the groups as these are lifelines for them as they are likely to have far fewer options for social support than most of the non trans lesbians present.

But yes, I know who I am thanks, and I know my identity. And my identity is certainly not threatened by the inclusive, welcoming policy I support and believe in; it is only enhanced.

We simply have had no experience of bad faith self-ID processes in our groups.

How would you ever know if you don't know what a lesbian is?

For the tiny minority of trans lesbians that do join and regularly participate this place has usually been arrived at after a hugely traumatic period of reflection and pain where they lose many other support networks and expect abuse around every corner

Surely one male calling themselves a lesbian makes the group cease being a single sex or lesbian group? I don't understand show you can say with any seriousness that your groups are lesbian groups but you have males in there. Which automatically makes it just a group.

This is really just a load of justifying nonsense. Firstly, if by 'trans lesbians' you mean biological males who identify as lesbians, then that is in fact 'bad faith Self ID', as they are not lesbians by any rational definition.

Also, regardless of whether it is a 'genuinely held self-concept', that doesn't mean it should take precedence over the needs of the other people in the group. How many women were made uncomfortable by these males being present, but perhaps felt unable to say so for being called hateful? Who are you to decide what every woman in that group should be comfortable with?

These man should start a support group for themselves instead of pushing in on a women's group.