Julie Bindel & Sharron Davies can't believe women centre their politics around the trans issue

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Julie Bindel

You may hate me for this (well, some of you at least, but I cannot BELIEVE that many of you on here are deciding who is good or bad for PM because of the trans issue ALONE. I mean, I KNOW it is an urgent issue, but so are a million other things right now!!

Sharron Davies

I agree with your too Julie. There’s a bigger picture right now with people potentially unable to feed or keep their kids warm this winter. We can keep bringing the sunlight to other issues.

@antifascist

Is there any reason to think Davies agrees?

They’ll change. They’re not always like this.
Yes it feels like Labour and I were in a bad relationship for years and now, even though I've broken away, I'm still following him on Facebook and, if he sends me a birthday card that arrives a week late, I take it as a sign that he still loves me.

@Floisme

Every time Starmer turns those big puppy eyes on us and says something about women, our hearts skip a beat. Maybe this time...

Oh no, he still thinks men have cervices.

😀 And when their manifesto comes out supporting self ID I'll still read it over and over, looking for a sign that they don't really mean it.

We need to work on our self-respect. 😂

As a matter of interest, which tool did you use to check that either follows the other?

FGS the lady was entitled to her benefit and the DWP cocked up...she will get it eventually...as is right and proper so the OP was correct no one is supposed to go hungry in the UK. Ridiculous to accuse her of not caring when someone does because of an administrative failure.

None- she claims she doesn't follow him - which in my view makes it even more irresponsible for her to Quote Tweet a random account (but easily googleable as extreme-right) saying
"What are we going to do about a media that only shows the news the want to show?"

@antifascist

Guilt by association is silly. The idea that SD would deny the Holocaust is a bit out there, really.

So even though the premise of this thread is that Sharron Davies appears to be urging women not to vote Tory, the left still want to discredit her?

If I understand this properly.

You claimed that Sharron Davies followed Peter Sweden without performing the due diligence to check that she did before you implied that effectively stated that she did.

You're now accepting the word of someone that you affect to deride that she doesn't follow him.

And you're the one scoffing at Sharron Davies for not googling before a QT? Now I've identified the QT and accounts involved, it's not obvious from Peter Sweden's Twitter bio that he's notorious and he certainly doesn't give a summary of his rebarbative beliefs or perspectives.

I'm not on Twitter because it seems a hellhole. However, with self-appointed Witchfinders like you who don't perform due diligence and decry and condemn others who have such lapses, it's a modern day Crucible. In fact, with the abandon with which you cast about accusations of fascism, please tell us which fascism hunter/identifier course has accredited your skills.

antifascist · Today 17:16
You posted a report about a person who you said tweeted something which Sharron Davies re-tweeted.

But that does not make anyone any the wiser as to what it was she seemed to approve by her tweet.

Please would you post a link to what she actually re-tweeted?

I absolutely agree with them. I am GC and I do care about the trans issue, but not at the extent of everything else. There are so many other issues that I care about.

I'm also totally bemused as to why anyone would believe for a moment that the Tories will stand up for women's rights.

Well there's the fact that they're the one party not signed up to gallop self ID and the TQ+ political agenda through at high speed the second they're in power. There's that.

Given bumbling, immoral idiots and dangerous lunatics, I'm afraid I'll go for the mere bumbling every time. And they have people like Javid and Truss who actually get the problems and have the guts to face up to them.

anyone with the public profile of Sharron Davies who approvingly retweets someone with an easily identifiable record of Holocaust denial is irreponsible at best.

There do seem to be some troubling links between the far right and those who are "gender critical " so maybe you frequently find yourself accidentally endorsing holocaust deniers @EmbarrassingHadrosaurus and not deleting or apologising when this is pointed out to you,

I would be more careful about such things

‘I'm also totally bemused as to why anyone would believe for a moment that the Tories will stand up for women's rights.’

Because they did. As a result of decisions taken by Tory ministers, we don’t have self-ID. We have some (still not enough) clarity on single sex spaces. We don’t have a ban on nebulous “trans conversions practices”. We have arrangements coming through for open sporting categories. We have the Cass Review. We have sensible people on the EHRC. We have legislation coming on freedom of speech in higher education. We have the Cass Review.

I don’t know where this idea that it “doesn’t affect” us comes from. It affects me because I have a young daughter who has suffered trauma in her early life and finds life hard sometimes. She is just the sort of vulnerable person to whom the trans ideology appeals as a solution to their problems. Two girls who I have known from birth are now young trans men, taking testosterone and planning mastectomies. They too were vulnerable because of mental health issues that made them feel like they didn’t fit into the world. Both lesbians originally. But even if it didn’t affect me, why am I not allowed to be horrified at what is happening to other women and girls?

@antifascist

I’m sorry you’re getting it in the neck from some of your supposed ‘allies’ on Twitter. They have misinterpreted you, but their comments demonstrate that they’re not nice people. Stay here with us. We mostly disagree with you but look how nice we are.

But surely GC women voting Labour is akin to Turkeys voting for Christmas? Labour have said they are committed to reforming the GRA and introducing self id. We could end up finding even having this conversation unlawful.

As there are some more posters on the thread, I'd like to ask my question again:

....anyone on this thread who thinks it's important but not the most important issue. How do you see that panning out?
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Is it that you believe we can fight off self ID if and when Labour are elected? If so please could you explain how, as presumably it's going to be in their manifesto? (plus I will add, they won't even need our votes by that point).

Or do you think we could get the legislation repealed at a later date? And again, if so then how?

Just posters who actually oppose self ID please. I'm not interested in the 'Feminism must prioritise everyone else' school of thought.

Also it's not directed at anyone who thinks the cost of living crisis leaves them with no choice.

@mrshoho

You’re right. They threaten to literally gag our ordinary speech, and you still have people defending the idea of voting for them.

Agree mrsho

Since twitter was' bought' by Musk GC beliefs have been easier to air, I've not been suspended since he took over. Now it looks like it will fall through I'd imagine censorship will be again.

Wrong think arrests here we come

Anothernamechangeplease · Today 18:07
I'm also totally bemused as to why anyone would believe for a moment that the Tories will stand up for women's rights.

Some of them do. There were also signs that others were starting to at least begin listening.

I know Liz Truss did; Kemi Badenoch; Sajid Javid; have taken a stance about protecting woman and children in opposition to TRAs

Some if this, say when Boris said that biology matters, followed by Rishi Sunak a few days later saying he agreed, may have been opportunistic, but even then it still made a difference that they publicly broached a hitherto taboo subject and were not immediately called upon to resign.

There do seem to be some troubling links between the far right and those who are "gender critical " so maybe you frequently find yourself accidentally endorsing holocaust deniers @EmbarrassingHadrosaurus and not deleting or apologising when this is pointed out to you,

I would be more careful about such things

You're demonstrably not careful about your assertions or accusations. You stated

I don't imagine Davies was following the right wing holocaust Denier for his tractor content.

You seem now to acknowledge that Sharron D doesn't follow him and you had no grounds for your claim nor your speculation as to her motivational drivers for this non-existent follow. And you're now shifting the goalposts. You're praising yourself for how much more careful you would be when you're have actually made quite a serious accusation.

If you made that accusation on Twitter, have you withdrawn it and apologised?

Are you withdrawing that accusation here, on MN?