Julie Bindel & Sharron Davies can't believe women centre their politics around the trans issue

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Julie Bindel

You may hate me for this (well, some of you at least, but I cannot BELIEVE that many of you on here are deciding who is good or bad for PM because of the trans issue ALONE. I mean, I KNOW it is an urgent issue, but so are a million other things right now!!

Sharron Davies

I agree with your too Julie. There’s a bigger picture right now with people potentially unable to feed or keep their kids warm this winter. We can keep bringing the sunlight to other issues.

I would just like to challenge this a little. What do you mean, anti-every minority?

The CP has had two women PMs, and it looks like in the running for the next PM are several women and several ethnic minorities, and even a woman who is an ethnic minority.

Something the LP, for all it's efforts, has not replicated.

What's that about then?

It’s so disingenuous to say we can worry about shining sunlight on “other” issues later when there are children to clothe and feed etc.

All whilst your children are learning a dangerous ideology and being insidiously encouraged to adopt this and “be kind”.

That is precisely why things have advanced as far as they have and our language is being distorted and we are being compelled to say that which isn’t true.

They can vote for whomever they like but my loyalty is not to a party who cannot define what a woman is and centres men and their delusions.

I am not impressed by the idea that fighting for women's legal existence is a privileged position. However I do accept that the true extent of self ID legislation wouldn't be felt instantly. I think it would be our daughters and grand daughters who would reap the whirlwind. The problem is that by then there would be such a hot mess that I don't know how it could ever be undone. There's certainly no blueprint to follow.

I can understand anyone saying, 'I'm sorry but right now I have got to put food on the table'. It's why it's such a terrible dilemma. What I don't get is the idea that, with all the opposition parties apparently intent on self ID, we can somehow shelve this battle for another day.

If Julie Bindel is seriously proposing this then I would really like her to explain how she sees it working because I may be missing something but from where I'm sitting, it seems extraordinarily naive, which is not a word I normally associate with Julie.

Given that JB saw this coming long before most of us did, I'm not sure how anyone can argue that she lacks critical thinking skills. So, if she seriously believes it's possible to win this battle with a Labour or coalition government - and it's not just blind loyalty to the left talking - then I'd like to see her stop pulling rank on Twitter and make the argument.

Julie Bindel is and always has been an avowed radical socialist feminist. Or perhaps socialist radical feminist. Either way, this is very unsurprising from her.

I tend to agree with them yet I cannot see past those MPs who fail to acknowledge what a woman is. There’s such a weakness there, they are entirely captured and I think if that’s how weak they are on that issue then what the hell are they capitulating on elsewhere. So it tarnished Labour and Lib Dem and of course the bloody Greens for me.

It's just another version of 'after all the other problems have been fixed then we'll sort out what women want out of politics'.

Who will be the majority of people struggling to put food on the table in front of their kids and trying to keep them and other cared for people warm this winter? The same ones who have lost access to public spaces and facilities, are being raped in prisons, are being sacked for speaking the truth and refusing to subordinate their sex class to the only other one, and whose kids are being fed garbled fairytails in sex ex while safeguarding is put seconds to the feelings of adult males.

This is like telling slaves that they shouldn't fuss about voting for the end of their slavery, there are much more important things to be politically aware of and care about first. Considering how fast women have lost abortion rights in the past few weeks, women need to start valuing their vote while they still have it, wake up and start being bloody difficult, and make politicians afraid to step any further on them. Seriously.

I just think there will always be left/right divides in politics. Success for each side comes and goes. But we might have a chance to sort this out. One. And once it’s gone and self-ID established and linguistic and conceptual queering achieved, our rights are gone for good.

Sharron Davies has today approvingly quote-tweeted far right Holocaust Denier Peter Sweden

I agree with them.
Couldnt be bothered with a lot of the GC movement after half of them went tory.
Its an important issue but its not the only issue

wake up and start being bloody difficult, and make politicians afraid to step any further on them. Seriously.
I agree and this is what I would like Julie Bindel or Ruth Serwotka or any gender critical feminist who's still on the left to explain. What kind of negotiator starts off with a declaration that they won't play their most effective - if not their only - card?

Artichokeleaves · Today 16:23
women need to start valuing their vote while they still have it, wake up and start being bloody difficult, and make politicians afraid to step any further on them. Seriously

A different political set up I realise, and a specific issue we are not faced with at the moment, but I noticed the aptness of what Biden said yesterday:

This [voting] is the fastest route available," he told reporters at the White House. "It's my hope and my strong belief that women will in fact turn out in record numbers to reclaim the rights that have been taken from them by the court.

What kind of negotiator starts off with a declaration that they won't play their most effective - if not their only - card?

Exactly. You wouldn't think it would be controversial for women to say "if you want my vote you must recognise women as a sex class".

In fact I'll ask anyone on this thread who thinks it's important but not the most important issue. How do you see that panning out?
Is it that you believe we can fight off self ID if and when Labour are elected? If so please could you explain how, as presumably it's going to be in their manifesto?
Or do you think we could get the legislation repealed at a later date? And again, if so then how?
Just posters who actually oppose self ID please. I'm not interested in the 'Feminism must prioritise everyone else' school of thought.

‘What kind of negotiator starts off with a declaration that they won't play their most effective - if not their only - card?’

Agree. Why would you tell your oppressors, ‘No matter what you do to me I will stay loyal to you’?

antifascist · Today 16:41
Sharron Davies has today approvingly quote-tweeted far right Holocaust Denier Peter Sweden

This means nothing as it stands. Is she approving a holocaust denial by her retweet?

Please would you post a link?

I’ve never heard of Peter Sweden. Davies retweeted something about tractors?

I have a whole lot of sympathy for loyal socialist women, but the reality is that there is not one single left party with a grain of sanity remaining. They will all railroad in this crap at high speed without the capacity for rational thought, critical thinking, foreseeing consequences, and they're all in hock to a political lobby that hates women, and has a number of other highly dodgy agendas.

They're dead in the water. I'm sorry. But the facts have to be faced. Women are in this mess through far too much generosity of thinking, patience and being prepared to try and do this nicely, change from within, sweet reason and all the rest of it. There's a point at which nice becomes stupid.

Hate to say it @Artichokeleaves but some people act like they have Stockholm Syndrome.

Well now you have.

I don't imagine Davies was following the right wing holocaust Denier for his tractor content.

achillestoes · Today 17:06
Hate to say it @Artichokeleaves but some people act like they have Stockholm Syndrome

That is an interesting thought.

@antifascist

Don’t take this the wrong way, but I’d probably need independent corroboration of any of your claims about other people’s views. You saying Davies retweeted someone doesn’t make me think she thinks anything in particular.

@ScrollingLeaves

It has a similar feel to people who can’t leave an abusive partner. They’ll change. They’re not always like this.

The people they’re sticking with hate us. Actually hate us, and want us to suffer.

Heres the person Davies retweeted -

He was too extreme for Katie Hopkins.

hopenothate.org.uk/2017/08/01/far-right-vlogger-defend-europe-supporter-peter-swedens-real-identity-revealed/