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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Let’s hope Mordaunts not the next PM

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LarryBlackmonsCodpiece · 08/07/2022 01:00

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Luxa · 10/07/2022 12:09

MN should ask all the prospective Tory Leadership candidates in for an exclusive FWR webchat, wonder how many of them would have the guts to accept.

That's a great idea! Have you suggested it to MN?

Signalbox · 10/07/2022 12:16

DisgustedofManchester · 10/07/2022 11:38

The fact that any feminist would want a tory government after the last few years is very sad.

It really is pretty sad that the Tories are currently the only party who appear to be listening to people's concerns about gender ideology and the erosion of women's rights and the harms being done to children. Hopefully by the next GE we will have at least one left wing party will have come to their senses. Perhaps Labour and Lib Dems and the Greens will start to twig that it isn't a just a tiny minority of bigoted women who have concerns. They might realise that this is not about being "anti-trans"; it is about being pro woman, pro free speech, pro reality and science.

LadyAnnabelsTapestries · 10/07/2022 13:41

Reading that Times article (thanks for the share token) I think it's just so sad and disappointing.

On the face of it she has a lot going for her. She didn't attend private school which is refreshing and rare these days for MPs on either side of the aisle, but particularly tories (nothing wrong with PS but it makes her a bit more relatable for people like myself)

Her mother died young and she was the main carer for her brother but worked hard, and paid for six form by becoming a magician's assistant no less.

First in her family to attend university, put her degree to work. Has trained in the Navy and been a reservist. Has co-authored a book.

This is great. This is the sort of background that invokes respect and would get me wanting to vote for a party headed by this woman.

Then you get this: Announcing the Gender Recognition Act in the Commons, Mordaunt said the legislation would be a “culture change” in the UK and that the equality of those who were born a woman and those who were not would be the “starting point ... and finishing point” of the consultation.

And this: Mordaunt reiterated her stance last year while paymaster general, repeating at the dispatch box that “trans men are men and trans women are women” during a debate on maternity allowances. It is claimed she tried to get the word “mother” removed from the maternity bill,

What a very big shame.

Constrast: The reforms were scrapped in 2020 by Liz Truss, now another contender for the Tory leadership, who said plans for “self ID” would not be brought forward because she felt the original legislation struck the right balance

It was a choice between two female candidates it would be Liz Truss who would be getting my vote. As a woman I just will never vote for a party headed by anyone who throws our right to women only spaces away and obfuscates feminine titles with neutral terminology.

That said PM has a twin who I think feels TWAW so it's hard for her and explains why she's trying to do a balancing act between two positions......
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achillestoes · 10/07/2022 13:45

‘That said PM has a twin who I think feels TWAW so it's hard for her and explains why she's trying to do a balancing act between two positions.....’

We can’t vote for people pandering to their brothers, though.

LadyAnnabelsTapestries · 10/07/2022 13:54

achillestoes · 10/07/2022 13:45

‘That said PM has a twin who I think feels TWAW so it's hard for her and explains why she's trying to do a balancing act between two positions.....’

We can’t vote for people pandering to their brothers, though.

I agree 100% but it does explain why she appears to dip her toes into things such as research gathering into the astronomical rise in girls presenting with gender dysphoria, then letting it fall by the wayside. I have a feeling that were it not for the conflict of interest she'd be fully GC.

achillestoes · 10/07/2022 14:00

@LadyAnnabelsTapestries

Owen Jones posted a video of her previous position and is saying her statements are a significant backtracking and she is throwing trans people under the bus to get ahead. Jones is right. She has always been “TWAW” and “trans people are the most marginalised”. This is a significant reverse ferret. I have no confidence that she secretly agrees with us whatsoever.

Imnobody4 · 10/07/2022 14:09

Just seen this tweet from Venice Allen
Have any of the Tory leadership hopefuls pledged to fight for ‘trans rights’ yet? It’s absolutely extraordinary how this issue has shifted since 2018 when @DavidTCDavies was the only conservative MP brave enough to stand up for women.

She's so right - we should remember where we started from and the toll it's taken on brave individuals standing up and dissenting at great cost.

The Penny Mordaunt group of MPs have really made a huge mistake with all the 'so called feminist', TWAW contempt they've thrown at GC women. I'm not offering any golden bridges to them.

LadyEloise1 · 10/07/2022 15:34

SwissBall · 08/07/2022 23:30

I saw on Twitter PM’s brother used to go out with the man who has problems with ribbons, is that right?

Explain please ?

abc5432 · 10/07/2022 15:50

Imnobody4 · 10/07/2022 14:09

Just seen this tweet from Venice Allen
Have any of the Tory leadership hopefuls pledged to fight for ‘trans rights’ yet? It’s absolutely extraordinary how this issue has shifted since 2018 when @DavidTCDavies was the only conservative MP brave enough to stand up for women.

She's so right - we should remember where we started from and the toll it's taken on brave individuals standing up and dissenting at great cost.

The Penny Mordaunt group of MPs have really made a huge mistake with all the 'so called feminist', TWAW contempt they've thrown at GC women. I'm not offering any golden bridges to them.

I remember that very positive online chat with David TCDavies MP and what a relief it was that he took concerns on board. I seem to remember some people were expecting to hear from the other David Michael Davis MP (the high profile Brexit one) but no matter, we were so grateful to be listened to.
That's really how bad it was...we still haven't won...

HandThatRocksTheCrayCray · 10/07/2022 16:00

LadyEloise1 · 10/07/2022 15:34

Explain please ?

I think, given that Penny Mordaunt is now an official Prime Ministerial candidate, it's fair enough to discuss material in the public domain.

Penny Mordaunt's twin brother James, whom she name-checked and tagged on her twitter account in 2020 using this photo of the two of them together at Pride when I believe she was still Secretary of State for Defence, was apparently once in a serious relationship with an actor who is allegedly a gender ideology fan.

Let’s hope Mordaunts not the next PM
achillestoes · 10/07/2022 20:56

Gove is backing Badenoch.

HPFA · 11/07/2022 11:58

She would have been better sticking to her original position rather than coming up with clearly false statements.

It's hard to know who is the worst among these numpties.

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 11/07/2022 12:01

Gove is backing Badenoch

that is really interesting. He’s got a lot of influence, hasn’t he? And afaik he’s known for being a bit smarter than the other Tories.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/07/2022 12:10

The fact that any feminist would want a tory government after the last few years is very sad.

Neither you nor I get a choice whether we have a Tory government in the near future. This is about the Tory leadership race, DoM.

achillestoes · 11/07/2022 12:14

@TastefulRainbowUnicorn

He is smart. Smart enough to back someone very good who will probably be out of the contest soon because she lacks experience, so he can see who everyone else backs and then swing behind the person he really wants.

BreadInCaptivity · 11/07/2022 12:19

achillestoes · 11/07/2022 12:14

@TastefulRainbowUnicorn

He is smart. Smart enough to back someone very good who will probably be out of the contest soon because she lacks experience, so he can see who everyone else backs and then swing behind the person he really wants.

Or smart enough to know he's unlikely to get a prime job under Rishi et al so is throwing his weight behind the candidate he really likes?

achillestoes · 11/07/2022 12:21

@BreadInCaptivity

He knows Badenoch won’t win. We’ll see who he really fancies in the next round. Remember last time, he threw his own hat in after backing Johnson. He is not not a snake.

achillestoes · 11/07/2022 12:42

But Badenoch should win, she’s very good, and could beat Starmer.

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 11/07/2022 13:04

He is smart. Smart enough to back someone very good who will probably be out of the contest soon because she lacks experience, so he can see who everyone else backs and then swing behind the person he really wants

haha, that makes sense. I was trying to think what the weaselliest possible angle would be!

Though I agree with you, I think Badenoch could beat Starmer if she had a chance of getting selected.

achillestoes · 11/07/2022 13:13

‘I was trying to think what the weaselliest possible angle would be!’

😂

achillestoes · 11/07/2022 13:23

Rees-Mogg is considering a leadership bid. Jesus H Christ, they’re all going for it.

Sidaway · 11/07/2022 13:24

DisgustedofManchester · 10/07/2022 11:38

The fact that any feminist would want a tory government after the last few years is very sad.

Yes, it is very sad. I'm a leftie. But there is no way I want a government who would bring in self-id and other gender nonsense.

Baaaaaa · 13/07/2022 23:19

Who is best to vote for strategically to keep Penny Maudant out?

BlackForestCake · 13/07/2022 23:30

There's just been a forecast on Peston that it will end up as Mordaunt v Sunak.

TooBigForMyBoots · 14/07/2022 00:47

Baaaaaa · 13/07/2022 23:19

Who is best to vote for strategically to keep Penny Maudant out?

Unfortunately if you are not a Conservative MP or a Conservative party member, you have no vote.

No say.

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