Let’s hope Mordaunts not the next PM

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Well that’s a half-arsed reverse ferret.

She has seen which way the wind is blowing and is backtracking. But not a full backtrack. Trans women are not biological women but legal women? What does this mean in practical terms?

And those enquiries ordered on gender services for kids? Did we ever see the results?

The Times has a big chunk dedicated to the issue

Penny Mordaunt: Equalities champion’s ‘broad church’ bid

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/269305b0-ffbb-11ec-9d35-8e47eb25050e?shareToken=633964ba1f41fe7f42c98c27a8a9b213

I don’t believe her either. Needs to say TW are not women and don’t support gender self ID to even start to believe her. Too carefully crafted worded

We’ve all seen examples of this faux outrage before. It has echoes of Laurie Penny and Nancy Kelley: “who? Me?”

We know Mordaunt has driven the self-ID agenda. We know, despite the fact that she knows what a woman is (everyone knows what a woman is) that she has been prepared to include transwomen in that category at the despatch box, even when women have explained to her with great care and passion that this hurts us.

Done. She isn’t getting my vote if she wins the leadership contest.

And yes, some transwomen are legally female. That gives them the right to be treated as women for most purposes. They are not women, though, and the problem is the widespread and aggressive campaign to make us all pretend otherwise.

Yeah, don’t trust that one bit. She’s seen the way public opinion has shifted and all of a sudden has realised she needs to start madly backtracking. Yes, she ordered an inquiry into the rising numbers of GD in adolescent girls, but absolutely NOTHING happened about it, and people who wrote to ask her about it were ignored. It took Keira Bell’s case for NHS England to sit up (and on the back of that, the Govt).

I find it quite disgusting how disingenuous she is being. Expected, but if I were a Tory party member, I wouldn’t be voting for her. The only candidate who has consistently seemed genuine on the issue is Keri Badenoch, IMO. She does seem to actually care whereas the others sound as though they are just saying the right words to appease and would drop the issue as soon as they thought they were able to.

Alicia Kearns has endorsed Mordaunt. That would mean some big job for Kearns - Women and Equalities?

The practical bottom line is that they support the reform of the GRA to bring in self-ID, and they support the trans conversion therapy ban (with all its philosophical ambiguities). Both will stand up and say “TWAW” even though they know that isn’t true.

What else will they do? Which of the concessions women have won from government would be in danger with these people in government?

She says she set up the Cass Review:

https://mobile.twitter.com/PennyMordaunt/status/1545908477163458561

All I remember from the time was as rogdmum says, a lot of questions about what's happening. And all I can find is this from July 2019 - some research being commissioned by the GEO:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-set-to-begin-next-phase-of-gender-transition-research

But that's not the Cass Review, which was announced under Hancock at the time but by NHS England in Autumn 2020:

cass.independent-review.uk/about-the-review/terms-of-reference/

I’m sure she did commission some research. That’s not enough. We need someone in power who (like Johnson, in the end) recognises that childhood transition is fundamentally wrong. That the ‘treatment’ being offered to these children is predicated on the existence of a condition that actually can’t be proven to exist at all, and that the trans conversion therapy ban was a threat to proper psychological and psychiatric treatment of those children.

Reckon she'd come back for a FWR webchat?

@McDuffy

I’m not sure she would.

I also don’t like her tweet thread. Read this again: ‘I hope in the next few days we’ll be able to discuss how to get our economy growing again and how our citizens can live well.’

As an introduction to the topic of her climb down on her comments on a topic of importance to women, this sounds very “silly season” and “oh look, the women are talking about being a woman again”. It’s the same empty tactic Labour tried to use when they rolled their eyes about “people obsessed with genitals”.

It doesn’t work. This isn’t a silly topic, it’s about the ability of a politician to recognise and live by truth or lies, and that couldn’t be more relevant in the post-Johnson era.

I wonder if she will still ignore me if I asked her the results of that research

<knows answer will be yes>

Even on her thread she can’t avoid tagging in “proud she/her” Ashley James, who can’t imagine being offended by workplace pressure to display your allegiance to transgender ideology (Halifax), who supports the presence of transwomen in women’s sports, and who believes transgender teachers should be going into dorms with opposite sex kids on school trips.

ON HER OWN THREAD, insisting she knows what a woman is.

She also tags in Pregnant and Screwed, an organisation which does great work, but whose timeline is chockfull of retweets of Caroline Nokes and Stella Creasy. Theirs is a particular type of feminism: it’s very middle class, it’s very woke, and it would mean women choosing between their reproductive rights (which are important) and safe spaces (which are also important), as well as proper medical care for distressed kids.

If I wanted this mash-up of champagne socialism and ultra privileged feminism, I’d vote Labour.

Hartley-Skewer just got her anyway...

I'm really confused because, whilst I agree that's a great speech, it's attributed to Baroness Grey-Thompson. Who isn't Penny Mordaunt. So I'm not sure what that speech has to do with her?

It's possible (probable?) I'm missing something, because I'm not used to reading Hansard, so please tell me if I'm being daft.

Yes @Motorina , that speech is by Tanni Grey-Thompson. I was replying to a post which said:

Tanni GT is Chair of UKActive who do not appear to support protecting female spaces.

I thought it was clear that 'she' in my reply referred to Tanni Grey-Thompson, as Penny Mordaunt wasn't mentioned by me or by the poster I was replying to. Sorry for any confusion.

It’s official, PM a becomes the ninth candidate to stand for leader.

@OldCrone ahhh sorry! That makes sense then. Thank you.

MN should ask all the prospective Tory Leadership candidates in for an exclusive FWR webchat, wonder how many of them would have the guts to accept.

So Penny has suddenly realised how important this issue is to a lot of women and is trying to reverse ferret a little. Thing is I don’t believe her. Her Twitter thread was a load of nonsense and she was caught out in a lie.

You nailed your colours to the mast, Penny, we all saw it it. We know that you won’t have women’s backs, we know you won’t protect our rights. We see you. The damage has been done and you only have yourself to blame.

MN should ask all the prospective Tory Leadership candidates in for an exclusive FWR webchat, wonder how many of them would have the guts to accept.

Oh yes!

The fact that any feminist would want a tory government after the last few years is very sad.

What’s the alternative then @DisgustedofManchester ?