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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Something that never happens!!! Illinois gun suspect wore women's clothing to blend in

93 replies

LordLoveADuck · 05/07/2022 19:06

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Robert “Bobby” E. Crimo III, 21, is accused of killing 6 innocent parade-goers and injuring at least 30 others after he allegedly climbed onto the roof of a business in the wealthy Chicago suburb on Monday and fired off 70 rounds from an AR-15-style rifle.

He then ditched the legally purchased weapon on the roof so he could blend in with the crowd as he fled during the chaos, Lake County Major Crime Task Force spokesman Christopher Covelli told a news briefing.

“Crimo was dressed in women’s clothing and investigators do believe he did this to conceal his facial tattoos and his identity,” Covelli said. “He was seen on video camera in women’s clothing.”

He may have even donned a hairpiece to complete his disguise, authorities said.

“A wig is not out of the question,” Covelli said.

nypost.com/2022/07/05/highland-park-parade-shooting-suspect-robert-crimo-wore-womens-clothing-cops/

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GCRich · 06/07/2022 12:23

Allmyfavouritepeople · 05/07/2022 20:24

How can anyone tell the difference between a man disguised as a woman going into single sex spaces with the intention of committing a crime and an innocent transwoman going into a single sex space to use the facility?

You can't.

So if anyone is allowed to enter these spaces on their own say so then the dangerous men can just walk in too.

No man has ever gone into a single sex space. A man (whether wearing trousers or dress, fancy dress or trans) DESTROYS a single sex space as his front foot crosses the threshold.

Ahgoonyegirlye · 06/07/2022 12:48

‘The issue is that men do and will dissemble as women to achieve their ends which why single-sex spaces are essential.’

This was a public parade. He wasn’t trans, he was trying to disguise himself because he knew they’d be looking for a man.

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 06/07/2022 12:54

This was a public parade. He wasn’t trans, he was trying to disguise himself because he knew they’d be looking for a man.

so all the other photos of him cross-dressing are just practice disguises?

Let’s not even get into how he “knew they’d be looking for a man” (did no one actually see the shooter in action?) or why people “looking for a man” would overlook a cross-dressing man, or how making his appearance more rather than less distinctive was supposed to facilitate escape.

KittenKong · 06/07/2022 12:57

How are people so sure he is or isn’t trans. Stonewalls definition would classify him as such (unless the other photos are of him ‘in disguise’ too).

how can we silly females ever tell who the ‘bad men’ or ‘ladies with bad intent’ are? 🙄

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 06/07/2022 13:11

Ahgoonyegirlye · 06/07/2022 12:48

‘The issue is that men do and will dissemble as women to achieve their ends which why single-sex spaces are essential.’

This was a public parade. He wasn’t trans, he was trying to disguise himself because he knew they’d be looking for a man.

So, was he only 'practising' in the other SM pictures?

How can we tell?

BeyondPurpleTulips · 06/07/2022 13:29

Do we know for a fact he was "dressed as a man" when he did it? Just wondered where the assumption this was a getaway disguise came from

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 06/07/2022 13:35

We know he was. But not if he was throughout. Wording is a tad vague!

Ohnohedident · 06/07/2022 13:35

This is a transwoman surely, she has pictures of herself as a woman all over social media?
I cant believe how transphobic some posters are being.
Either people are who they say they are or they are not?

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 06/07/2022 13:36

Do we know for a fact he was "dressed as a man" when he did it?

The news articles are confusingly worded, but it seems to be the case that he committed the crime while wearing a woman costume.

Ohnohedident · 06/07/2022 13:37

If this transwomen had saved a child from a buring building you can bet noone would be questioning her womanhood but just because she has murdered a few people people are questioning if she is a woman or not! Its unbelieveable.

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 06/07/2022 13:46

apple.news/AkwxgqJNjSWeP-eqGKz8Chw

That article confirms that “women’s clothing” was worn during the shooting.

PearlClutch · 06/07/2022 13:53

Well, if gender identity is only something that the individual can know, clothing has nothing to do with it. Anyone can wear anything, has no reflection on their gender identity. We can never know unless the person tells us. And whatever they tell us is always correct. We therefore just have to presume all people are some kind of holding-gender until they decide or declare what they want to be, and then we know. So we will just have to wait until this person decides whether they want to go to a male or a female prison; then we will know.

KittenKong · 06/07/2022 13:55

Ohnohedident · 06/07/2022 13:35

This is a transwoman surely, she has pictures of herself as a woman all over social media?
I cant believe how transphobic some posters are being.
Either people are who they say they are or they are not?

I think you are clearly demonstrating the utter nonsense of this. He (for that is what the news outlets are saying) dressed up ‘as a woman’ for the attack.

There have been other photos on social media circulated as him dressed up ‘as a woman’ - content not explored.

Why call him ‘she’? I have photos of a male colleague dressed up as Cher for a rugby club event - and he ain’t no ‘she’..

his sex is male. As is most ‘shooters’.

KittenKong · 06/07/2022 13:56

Ohnohedident · 06/07/2022 13:37

If this transwomen had saved a child from a buring building you can bet noone would be questioning her womanhood but just because she has murdered a few people people are questioning if she is a woman or not! Its unbelieveable.

Uh? there is nothing wrong with being a trans woman or trans man. It is what it is.

What’s womanhood then?

FemmeNatal · 06/07/2022 14:01

Ahgoonyegirlye · 06/07/2022 12:48

‘The issue is that men do and will dissemble as women to achieve their ends which why single-sex spaces are essential.’

This was a public parade. He wasn’t trans, he was trying to disguise himself because he knew they’d be looking for a man.

The trans “umbrella” according to activists, includes cross-dressing.

I find the idea silly, but if we take them at their word then this guy is as trans as Katy Montgomerie.

FemmeNatal · 06/07/2022 14:03

GCRich · 06/07/2022 12:23

No man has ever gone into a single sex space. A man (whether wearing trousers or dress, fancy dress or trans) DESTROYS a single sex space as his front foot crosses the threshold.

How so? What if it’s a male single-sex space?

PearPickingPorky · 06/07/2022 14:04

Pallisers · 05/07/2022 19:50

I don't see this as something in the "will never happen" category. As far as we know he wasn't trans - there is no suggestion of it at all. So like many criminals he put on a disguise to evade capture. it isn't the same thing as someone saying they are trans to access spaces.

It's exactly the same as a man putting on women's clothes to enable him to commit voyeurism in women's spaces to "evade capture" as a sex criminal, when that's exactly what he is.

Deadringer · 06/07/2022 17:22

PearlClutch · 06/07/2022 13:53

Well, if gender identity is only something that the individual can know, clothing has nothing to do with it. Anyone can wear anything, has no reflection on their gender identity. We can never know unless the person tells us. And whatever they tell us is always correct. We therefore just have to presume all people are some kind of holding-gender until they decide or declare what they want to be, and then we know. So we will just have to wait until this person decides whether they want to go to a male or a female prison; then we will know.

Quite. Perhaps they will identify as innocent, and see how that will fly.

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