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Something that never happens!!! Illinois gun suspect wore women's clothing to blend in

93 replies

LordLoveADuck · 05/07/2022 19:06

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Robert “Bobby” E. Crimo III, 21, is accused of killing 6 innocent parade-goers and injuring at least 30 others after he allegedly climbed onto the roof of a business in the wealthy Chicago suburb on Monday and fired off 70 rounds from an AR-15-style rifle.

He then ditched the legally purchased weapon on the roof so he could blend in with the crowd as he fled during the chaos, Lake County Major Crime Task Force spokesman Christopher Covelli told a news briefing.

“Crimo was dressed in women’s clothing and investigators do believe he did this to conceal his facial tattoos and his identity,” Covelli said. “He was seen on video camera in women’s clothing.”

He may have even donned a hairpiece to complete his disguise, authorities said.

“A wig is not out of the question,” Covelli said.

nypost.com/2022/07/05/highland-park-parade-shooting-suspect-robert-crimo-wore-womens-clothing-cops/

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 05/07/2022 20:31

Clymene · 05/07/2022 20:22

The issue is that men dressed as women have become absolutely untouchable. Everyone is terrified to question or challenge them in any way. They have become a sacred caste.

And that is enormously dangerous

This!

Also, let's just take a moment to remember that one of the many lies told about J. K. Rowling is that she is a transphobe because she had a male serial killer character in her most recent Cormoran Strike book who wore a woman's coat to enable him to get close to his female victim, in a busy place at dusk where he wouldn't immediately have stood out as male. Her choice to include this very common ruse used by criminals in her plot was apparently evidence that she believes all trans people are criminals. Hmm

Pallisers · 05/07/2022 20:32

The issue is that men dressed as women have become absolutely untouchable. Everyone is terrified to question or challenge them in any way. They have become a sacred caste.

In single sex spaces. That is the only place their clothes or affect is relevant. I would hate to think of a world where someone is questioned or challenged in a public place that isn't single sex simply because they are wearing clothes associated with the other sex.

CrossPurposes · 05/07/2022 20:32

ErrolTheDragon · 05/07/2022 19:36

I expect this will turn out to be JKRs fault.

Well, she did have that cross dressing killer in one of her books so...

Clymene · 05/07/2022 20:34

Oh dear @CrossPurposes. You haven't read the book have you?

😬 embarrassing

Pallisers · 05/07/2022 20:34

Also, let's just take a moment to remember that one of the many lies told about J. K. Rowling is that she is a transphobe because she had a male serial killer character in her most recent Cormoran Strike book who wore a woman's coat to enable him to get close to his female victim, in a busy place at dusk where he wouldn't immediately have stood out as male. Her choice to include this very common ruse used by criminals in her plot was apparently evidence that she believes all trans people are criminals. Hmm

But isn't the point that she isn't a transphobe because this is a somewhat usual criminal attempt to evade capture. Or do you mean that her character was actually showing the dangers of allowing men identifying as women into single sex spaces? I thought she wasn't doing anything of the kind, simply writing a story.

CrossPurposes · 05/07/2022 20:38

Clymene · 05/07/2022 20:34

Oh dear @CrossPurposes. You haven't read the book have you?

😬 embarrassing

It must be true. I read it on the internet.

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 05/07/2022 20:46

I’m confused, how does a man in women’s clothing blend in to a crowd better than a man in men’s clothing?

I know it says something about covering his facial tattoos but that makes no sense. Women’s clothing doesn’t cover the face any better than men’s clothing. Unless he wore a niqab or something, and why wouldn’t they just say that if he did?

ErrolTheDragon · 05/07/2022 20:47

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 05/07/2022 20:46

I’m confused, how does a man in women’s clothing blend in to a crowd better than a man in men’s clothing?

I know it says something about covering his facial tattoos but that makes no sense. Women’s clothing doesn’t cover the face any better than men’s clothing. Unless he wore a niqab or something, and why wouldn’t they just say that if he did?

Maybe it was the hairpiece which covered the facial tattoos?

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 05/07/2022 20:51

Maybe it was the hairpiece which covered the facial tattoos?

maybe, but it seems like they aren’t even sure there was a hairpiece!

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 05/07/2022 20:52

Pallisers · 05/07/2022 20:34

Also, let's just take a moment to remember that one of the many lies told about J. K. Rowling is that she is a transphobe because she had a male serial killer character in her most recent Cormoran Strike book who wore a woman's coat to enable him to get close to his female victim, in a busy place at dusk where he wouldn't immediately have stood out as male. Her choice to include this very common ruse used by criminals in her plot was apparently evidence that she believes all trans people are criminals. Hmm

But isn't the point that she isn't a transphobe because this is a somewhat usual criminal attempt to evade capture. Or do you mean that her character was actually showing the dangers of allowing men identifying as women into single sex spaces? I thought she wasn't doing anything of the kind, simply writing a story.

Of course that's the point. But when JKR does it it's a sign that she's a transphobe in the deluded eyes of the gender ideologues.

My point is that here we have a genuine multiple murderer (alleged) cross-dressing for some criminal purpose. So it does happen, whereas we have been told repeatedly that no male criminal would ever do such a thing. Anybody cross-dressing must actually be trans.

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 05/07/2022 21:03

maybe, but it seems like they aren’t even sure there was a hairpiece!

replying to myself but wow, that article is very odd. Maybe just not up to date? Here is a different article with photos and there clearly was a wig happening.
news.sky.com/story/chicago-shooting-suspect-dressed-as-a-woman-as-he-escaped-the-scene-police-say-12646323

note also the pink and blue hair.

“Disguise” isn’t what I get from those photos, but I’m sure it will all become clear eventually.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 05/07/2022 21:04

Trump supporter, apparently.

BootsAndRoots · 05/07/2022 21:07

Pallisers · 05/07/2022 20:17

it seems wearing women's clothing in this case is quickly being downplayed as a disguise, whereas for minor (non fatal) incidents police state that they are searching for a woman.

I don't think it is being downplayed. it is being reported as it happened. He didn't declare himself a woman. he disguised himself as a woman.

FWIW I don't agree with police stating they are searching for a woman when they are actually searching for a clearly biological male who has declared himself a woman. But that is a separate issue.

I can understand that, but my problem is that recently (in the UK at least) a man disguised himself as a woman to sexually assault children, and the police and press reported that they were seeking a woman!

Pallisers · 05/07/2022 21:10

My point is that here we have a genuine multiple murderer (alleged) cross-dressing for some criminal purpose. So it does happen, whereas we have been told repeatedly that no male criminal would ever do such a thing. Anybody cross-dressing must actually be trans.

Oh ok, I get it. the "it would never happen" refers to that part of her book being deliberately misinterpreted.

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 05/07/2022 21:13

Trump supporter, apparently.

I’d be surprised if he still identified that way. It looks like the Trump supporting phase preceded the interesting hair phase, which is a common pattern.

NippyWoowoo · 05/07/2022 21:20

Hmmm not a full body photo but nothing about the clothing screams 'dressed as a woman' to me.

They could have said 'wore a wig' to disguise tattoos rather than 'dressed as a woman'. As of course long hair isn't unique to women. Nor do all woman have long hair.

I'd like to see more photos of him and what he was wearing

Something that never happens!!! Illinois gun suspect wore women's clothing to blend in
MsFogi · 05/07/2022 22:01

So I remain lost about how we tell the difference between (a) a bloke who is a woman because he thinks he is/dresses like a women and (b) a bloke who is a bad bloke dressed as a woman. Maybe Stoneballs could assist....

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 05/07/2022 22:02

Hmmm not a full body photo but nothing about the clothing screams 'dressed as a woman' to me.

He's wearing makeup, isn't he?

To blend in.

EsmaCannonball · 05/07/2022 22:05

Women are constantly being harangued into going against all our knowledge, experience and instincts into pretending that no man would ever perform femininity for nefarious reasons, that the only reason a man would ever do something as humiliating as put on a dress, enter a women's locker room or attend a woman-only counselling session is to become his authentic self. We are told to be safe we must curtail our freedom and never truly relax our guard but that if we suspect that any man has bad intentions we are nasty, uptight and small-minded. You grow up being told never to trust strangers and then all of a sudden you're expected to switch to always taking men at face value, unless you want to be seen as a complete bitch. It's compelled naivety.

GertrudeKerfuffle · 05/07/2022 22:21

My first thoughts are that he disguised himself as a woman as the police would no doubt initially assume the perpetrator to be a man - as they overwhelmingly are in these cases - thus giving himself a better chance of getting away.

In the future there may be a time when so many violent crimes have been recorded as being perpetrated by 'women' who are actually male by sex, that the statistics may be so skewed that this kind of assumption wouldn't apply.

ThunderstomsAreComing · 05/07/2022 22:27

From his music account

twitter.com/stilltish/status/1544399553612357635?s=21&t=IGQdOEQrVnEbQXzm6EzesA

NippyWoowoo · 05/07/2022 22:59

Tbh he screams 'liberal terrorist' to me. Extremism is toxic no matter which side it's from.

I really haven't read much on this at all as I find shooting in American so mentally exhausting to process, but when I first heard about a shooting on Independence Day I thought it could me some nut trying to make a 'point' about 'freedom' in America.

Ezra Miller vibes.

PearlClutch · 05/07/2022 23:12

I recall when the Alec McKinney story came out, a lot of obfuscation and denial. News stories getting pulled, nobody reporting on it all of a sudden. And obviously, the fact of McKinney or Crimo, or anyone being trans (or not) doesn't have any bearing on their crime.

The salient point, and the bigger issue is as pointed out above:

We have created a 'sacred caste'.

Pluvia · 05/07/2022 23:53

Just out of interest, because I don't know and I don't want to google and disappear down that particular wormhole just before bed, have any women carried out mass shootings?

HauntedDishcloth · 06/07/2022 00:17

Pluvia · 05/07/2022 23:53

Just out of interest, because I don't know and I don't want to google and disappear down that particular wormhole just before bed, have any women carried out mass shootings?

Yes - it was the inspiration for the Boomtown Rats song "I don't like Mondays" back in the 70s.