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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Something that never happens!!! Illinois gun suspect wore women's clothing to blend in

93 replies

LordLoveADuck · 05/07/2022 19:06

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Robert “Bobby” E. Crimo III, 21, is accused of killing 6 innocent parade-goers and injuring at least 30 others after he allegedly climbed onto the roof of a business in the wealthy Chicago suburb on Monday and fired off 70 rounds from an AR-15-style rifle.

He then ditched the legally purchased weapon on the roof so he could blend in with the crowd as he fled during the chaos, Lake County Major Crime Task Force spokesman Christopher Covelli told a news briefing.

“Crimo was dressed in women’s clothing and investigators do believe he did this to conceal his facial tattoos and his identity,” Covelli said. “He was seen on video camera in women’s clothing.”

He may have even donned a hairpiece to complete his disguise, authorities said.

“A wig is not out of the question,” Covelli said.

nypost.com/2022/07/05/highland-park-parade-shooting-suspect-robert-crimo-wore-womens-clothing-cops/

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CrossPurposes · 06/07/2022 00:18

Pluvia · 05/07/2022 23:53

Just out of interest, because I don't know and I don't want to google and disappear down that particular wormhole just before bed, have any women carried out mass shootings?

Unsurprisingly, very few: www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/apr/04/youtube-shooting-gun-attacks-in-the-us-are-rarely-carried-out-by-women

TheBiologyStupid · 06/07/2022 00:59

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 05/07/2022 20:31

This!

Also, let's just take a moment to remember that one of the many lies told about J. K. Rowling is that she is a transphobe because she had a male serial killer character in her most recent Cormoran Strike book who wore a woman's coat to enable him to get close to his female victim, in a busy place at dusk where he wouldn't immediately have stood out as male. Her choice to include this very common ruse used by criminals in her plot was apparently evidence that she believes all trans people are criminals. Hmm

Indeed. And the so-called Cambridge Rapist was arrested in the '70s trying to escape from his final crime dressed as a woman and wearing a long blonde wig.

FunnyTalks · 06/07/2022 06:53

From the photos up thread it seems less likely he blended in and more likely he looked like one of a class of people who must never be questioned lest we are outcast as bigots.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 06/07/2022 08:43

From the photos up thread it seems less likely he blended in and more likely he looked like one of a class of people who must never be questioned lest we are outcast as bigots.

Exactly what I was thinking.

Mennex · 06/07/2022 08:45

There are pictures in his SM feeds from months ago of him dressing in women's clothes.

mrshoho · 06/07/2022 08:54

Reminded of those despicable posters appearing on female bathrooms. What was it we were told?Do not question a person who you feel shouldn't be in there. Leave them alone and mind your own business. No thought whatsoever to the potential harm to girls and women.

FemmeNatal · 06/07/2022 08:58

Surely according to the views of Stonewall and others this man actually is “trans”, as the umbrella term now includes any man who chooses to wear women’s clothing.

Of course, he likely no more suffers gender dysphoria or views himself as trans than I do, but if we take the activists at their word, he’s under that broad umbrella.

FunnyTalks · 06/07/2022 09:02

And for the record, it is not feminists always drawing attention to the few bad trans people. It is Stonewall and so called trans allies creating a situation where the trans umbrella is so wide as to encompass a growing number of particularly abusive males.

FunnyTalks · 06/07/2022 09:03

Oops cross posted femme

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 06/07/2022 09:04

MishyJDI · 05/07/2022 19:46

So how would you have stopped this? Ask him for his GRA or if he self identified as a woman? This has nothing to do with trans people, and all do with crazy American gun freedoms.

Such an assumption! Maybe he is trans and dressed up as a man to be violent and went back to his real, authentic self when leaving.

Maybe that was his message!

How can we know?

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 06/07/2022 09:06

And look... there he is... in all his Twitter glory! I wonder how he will identify when it comes to sentencing?

YetAnotherSpartacus · 06/07/2022 09:08

There are pictures in his SM feeds from months ago of him dressing in women's clothes.

Any links?

KittenKong · 06/07/2022 09:11

CrossPurposes · 05/07/2022 20:32

Well, she did have that cross dressing killer in one of her books so...

No she had a man who put on a ‘womans’ coat as a disguise. There is a trans character in one of her books and they are just one of the characters (quite sympathetically written actually).

But people don’t want to hear that do they?

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 06/07/2022 09:15

YetAnotherSpartacus · 06/07/2022 09:08

There are pictures in his SM feeds from months ago of him dressing in women's clothes.

Any links?

There's one upthread, a screenshot. But Twitter have already suspended his accounts. An image search throws up a few pictures - Awake the Rapper.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 06/07/2022 09:26

Thank you, Samphire. It will indeed be interesting to see how this plays out.

Pluvia · 06/07/2022 09:31

FunnyTalks · 06/07/2022 06:53

From the photos up thread it seems less likely he blended in and more likely he looked like one of a class of people who must never be questioned lest we are outcast as bigots.

Yes, this. By donning a wig and make-up he becomes the class of person who can go anywhere and do anything and no one is allowed to challenge him.

KittenKong · 06/07/2022 10:24

And people ‘can’t gawp’ can they?

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 06/07/2022 10:26

Allmyfavouritepeople · 05/07/2022 20:00

That's exactly the point pallisers

Men pretending to be women to carry out crimes.

It's not transpeople I'm worried about, its dangerous men and dangerous men using 'looking like a woman' as a disguise.

Transpeople aren't the problem but if men feel entitled to waltz into women's spaces because they can falsely claim to be trans then how do we protect everyone?

This again and again.

howdoesatoastermaketoast · 06/07/2022 10:37

Pallisers · 05/07/2022 20:05

ok I see what you are saying but it doesn't seem the strongest example to me. he didn't use his disguise to enter a women's space for the shooting. he just used it to blend/make escape more likely.

I agree it isn't 'the strongest example' it's just the latest (this morning) and is shared here as a part of a refutation of the 'all men are entirely honest and must be taken at the word (or appearance) on all occasions without suspicion or challenge as it's impossible to imagine any man would ever affect the appearance of a woman or say that he was a woman for anything other the highest noblest and most sincere of reasons.

Thelnebriati · 06/07/2022 10:52

It doesn't matter how strong the example or how many of them, the weight of evidence is never enough to counter the claim that men would never wear women's clothing or claim to be women unless they were sincere.

CrowUpNorth · 06/07/2022 11:12

Given his apparent politics, wouldn't be surprised if he was doing this to 'own the trans' / 'own the libs' - not sure I'd want to give him what he wants while there are still victims in hospital. If like other shooters probably has a long track record of violence against women and girls too.

FunnyTalks · 06/07/2022 11:19

Perhaps crow. But anecdotally some of the most fervent gender idealogues I know are young people from quite conservative, small-town, non-diverse backgrounds, desperately trying to atone for having been so ignorant and un-cool.

Porcupineintherough · 06/07/2022 11:20

Some branches of feminism espouse the view that people should be able to dress as they choose. If that happens then I'm sure then we'll see more men dressed in traditional women's clothing committing crimes. Criminals have been disguising themselves in all sorts of ways, including as women, for centuries. Hardly novel.

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 06/07/2022 11:22

Given his apparent politics, wouldn't be surprised if he was doing this to 'own the trans'

If 'owning the trans' is what it's called every time men with a track record of violence against women and girls dress up as women to perpetrate violence, then may I suggest that 'the trans' need to start owning these men. It does happen rather a lot.

FunnyTalks · 06/07/2022 11:58

Porcupineintherough · 06/07/2022 11:20

Some branches of feminism espouse the view that people should be able to dress as they choose. If that happens then I'm sure then we'll see more men dressed in traditional women's clothing committing crimes. Criminals have been disguising themselves in all sorts of ways, including as women, for centuries. Hardly novel.

Most feminists think this surely. Not that many people take notice! What's new is this insistence that a change of clothes magically changes a person's sex or propensity to commit crimes.