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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Forstater judgment tomorrow

721 replies

achillestoes · 05/07/2022 19:06

In case we hadn’t had enough drama.

Good luck, Maya.

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Circumferences · 06/07/2022 11:27

I'm actually stunned.

This is amazing.

Mrskettleson · 06/07/2022 11:27

What a relief! Well done Maya. You’re a legend!

RudsyFarmer · 06/07/2022 11:27

Fantastic result!!!! 👏

User237845 · 06/07/2022 11:27

Congratulations to Maya! And thank you to the clever vipers who explained the significance of different parts of the judgment.

Everything crossed now for Allison.

PearPickingPorky · 06/07/2022 11:28

SpinningForTheWorld · 06/07/2022 11:22

It'll take me a while to read the full judgement, but even on the aspects where she didn't win, there are a lot of useful words and, frankly, pointers, about where future cases might go (that also overlap with Allison's case) especially where research needs to be carried out.

This is very useful indeed. Absolute gold-dust meets dynamite.

This is what I hoped would happen!

Delighted for her. Amazing work Maya, Anya, Ben and Peter.

BattyOrange · 06/07/2022 11:28

Excellent news! Thank you and congratulations Maya!

FernlovingNodosaur · 06/07/2022 11:28

Well done Maya. I really hope you get comfort from the fact, that it will now be public knowledge, how unfair your supposedly "equal rights" employers were in reality.

LondonWolf · 06/07/2022 11:28

Actually crying here 🥰

Theblondestoftheblonde · 06/07/2022 11:29

This is such brilliant brilliant news, well done Maya ❤️❤️❤️❤️

Madcats · 06/07/2022 11:29

This is such good news.

I hope the judgement doesn't get buried in mainstream media amidst the government meltdown.

My Kindle reckons the judgement is 81 pages long.

I suspect Ben Cooper QC is going to be a very busy man.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 06/07/2022 11:29

Amazing!!! Well done Maya 🍾🥂

wantmorenow · 06/07/2022 11:29

Congratulations Maya and all the team.

BenCoopersSupportWren · 06/07/2022 11:29

yourhairiswinterfire · 06/07/2022 11:23

I am in bits reading that statement.

Women fucking matter, our realities matter, our bodies matter, they are real and immutable and not a feeling in a man's head, and thanks to Maya we can fucking well say that out loud.

theclangersarecoming · 06/07/2022 11:32

Have asked DP who is a lawyer, who says that once direct discrimination is proved it is normally not that necessary to pursue/adjudicate the indirect discrimination claim (which I think the report says was not actually pursued at the tribunal, eg point 3) so the fact that some claims were dismissed does not mean much. Or something like that!

(I’m not a lawyer so disclaimers that this isn’t my field of knowledge, don’t know how true this is etc. etc.!)

Bowednotbroken · 06/07/2022 11:32

Such brilliant news! Thank you Maya for standing up to this. Appalling that you were put in this position in the first place. Celebrate this good news today.

Fenlandia · 06/07/2022 11:32

SpinningForTheWorld · 06/07/2022 11:27

She'll be busy on the media round today.

I'm sure Woman's Hour, who've studiously ignored this all along, will be right on the blower any minute now

FairyBatman · 06/07/2022 11:32

Brilliant news! Well done Maya and team!

GoodWeatherforDucks · 06/07/2022 11:33

Congratulations to Maya and her team! It is so incredibly important to have this as a legal reference point.

achillestoes · 06/07/2022 11:33

So relieved I can’t express it!

What I love about it is the no-nonsense ‘it’s a straightforward expression of her belief’ statements. This case always hinged on the fact that some people have come to regard the very ordinary as the very extreme, and this judgment rightly corrects that.

Well done, you brave woman.

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PearlClutch · 06/07/2022 11:34

RaininginDarling · 06/07/2022 11:11

This is good news. And that's a lot of words in that judgement. Can someone with a bigger brain and vocab please break it down for me? Thank you!

She won, she won, she won!!!

SidewaysOtter · 06/07/2022 11:34

That is fucking brilliant.

Maya, I’m so pleased for you and thank you from the bottom of my heart for doing this.

Ben Cooper, you’re the Eighth Wonder of the World.

PearlClutch · 06/07/2022 11:34

obvs fewer words and no functioning brain, but that is the gist! WHOOP!

Humbolt · 06/07/2022 11:34

Thank you Maya. For your strength to keep going - your clear-headed determination and the enormous sacrifice it must have taken to keep pursuing your case in the face of hostility, threats to your wellbeing and constant lying about your motivations and beliefs (not to mention the financial hit you must have taken) This is a magnificent day and I hope you enjoy it and are immensely proud of yourself.

SpinningForTheWorld · 06/07/2022 11:34

GCRich · 06/07/2022 11:26

Welll done Maya, so glad.

I presume that part of Maya's strategy in this case (and I am not saying this as any sort of criticim, I presume it is normal) is the "throw as much shit at the wall as you can and see what sticks" approach.

It seems to me that any claim that Gender Critical beliefs are more likely to be held by women was always a long shot. Women might have thought about their belief and might be more likely to hold a considered, thoughtful position... but I'd imagine that if you were to judge the belief by asking a load of straight men and women whether they really believe that TWAW and TMAM and whether they are open to engaging in "straight sex" with trans people of the same biological sex as them then men would come out as more GC than women. Less missplaced "be nice" going on.

Go MAYA!

Yes it's the same strategy that Allison adopted - you have to think of everything so the Respondents have less wriggle room.

I agree about the research needing to be done now, in detail, about sex / GC belief, which is what I was alluding to above. This is either going to be a fruitful avenue to pursue in future cases once the research is nailed down; or it isn't.

Either way, it's research worth doing.

MummBRaaarrrTheEverLeaking · 06/07/2022 11:36

Had a quick skim, not that I'm any sort of legal brain 😂

Saw they dismissed those stupid ramblings about the Fair Play for Women video, they said it was a normal campaign video, and nothing wrong with the colours red and black Grin I remembered that from the case as being a particularly bonkers scrape of the barrel, so glad the tribunal were having none of it!

Very, very happy to have been proven wrong on my predictions! What a day for women, and what a shero Maya!

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