Forstater judgment tomorrow

[achillestoes]

In case we hadn’t had enough drama.

Good luck, Maya.

Don't care anyway!

The list of people congratulating Maya on Twitter is like a Who's Who of GC beliefs...JKR, Allison, Sharron Davies, Helen Joyce, Helen Stanisland, Jenni Murray, Raquel R S and on and on...I feel so proud to be part of a community of such wonderful women.

Brilliant. Ben Cooper, roll your sleeves up, mate.

Women are back.

Fantastic news. My HR unit will hear about this. Well done Maya a hard 3 years plus but you did it and we thank you. 💐💚🤍💜

So great. No word from the RMW yet I notice. May be busy shuffling bundles for another case.

😂

Oh well.

Again: freedom of belief but not to enforce others to share it.

Its wonderful news

This is the best news . Thank you to Maya and congratulations. Thank you to all those who contributed to her funding, and all those keeping us in the picture. Now we await Alison’s judgement.

At last some sense, no matter how you decide to physically transform your body to your desired gender you cannot change the chromosomes in your DNA that determined your sex. This you can never change, at last some vindication for a woman that spoke sense and fact but was railroaded for her beliefs.
Prof Winston must be delighted too, he speaks the same sense.

(IANAL, but this is based on what helpful lawyers have explained previously)I don't think this result will make a difference to further cases in the sense of being a binding precedent, as it's only a first tier tribunal. If the company appeal and lose again then it would do, as the Appeal Court does make precedent, but hopefully they will decide to cut their losses at this point. What this result will hopefully do is make employers be more wary of how they behave in this area.

The precedent of Maya's win that Gender Critical beliefs were protected is the important one at this point for cases that go to court.

What great news! Thank you Maya from the bottom of my heart for everything that you've done - and continue to do!

Courage calls to courage...

😁

From Twitter - Maya's solicitor?
@peter_daly
#Forstater v CGD:
MF's direct discrim claims were also pleaded alternatively as harassment. MF won on direct discrim, so couldn't also win the same claims as harassment too, so harassment claims are classed as "dismissed". Don't misread that as claims not being well-founded.
12:34 PM · Jul 6, 2022·

CGD has until 17 August 2022 to apply to the Employment Appeal Tribunal for permission to appeal this judgment.

do you think they really would? They didn’t appear to great advantage in court. They’d be hurting their organisation for the sake of the great genderist cause and they probably wouldn’t even help the cause!

Only way I can see it is if some billionaire or other pays their legal fees.

There are now TWO trans items on the BBC news website front page (One previously mentioned about the creator of Friends apologising for misgendering a minor character twenty-odd years ago, and another noting that British Triathlon have become the first UK sport to create a separate open category for trans athletes). Absolutely tumbleweed when it comes to this, though. How very strange..

Fantastic. This will help so many people just starting out in their careers. It is particularly important to those young people who know sex matters but are lower in the chain of power. There are a lot of people too afraid to speak. Thank you.

@theclangersarecoming I love the juxtaposition of “It’s not important, nothing to see here” with “THE RULING MEANS WE’RE ALL GOING TO DIE AT THE HANDS OF FASCIST TERFS”.

Bless ‘em

And as for the Twitter quote from KM, it’s not a “scary precedent” love, it’s some sanity coming back into the room. Reactions like that remind me of the quote “To the privileged, equality looks like oppression”.

An important point about the judgement from Maya's solicitor, Peter Daly

I hope this is widely reported on.

It should be very clear that women are free to believe that males cannot change sex, and that males are not women.

And we are free to state this.

And we cannot be sacked or discriminated against for holding this belief.

but hopefully they will decide to cut their losses at this point. What this result will hopefully do is make employers be more wary of how they behave in this area.

Yes. It's going to be the money that talks. And the threat of being sued.

Because they will be sued. Women are not going to stop.

Places will stop demanding pronouns in emails, stop taking the word woman out of women's healthcare, stop refusing women female only rape recovery.

Not because they suddenly care, but because suddenly it won't bloody well be worth it.

Google is showing it as having been reported in The Telegraph, Independent, Penis News and Personnel Today. I’d say the last one is just as important as it puts a warning shot across the bows of “right on” HR departments.

Yeah as far as I could understand it, this was what my DP said - something about once direct discrimination is proved there’s no need to adjudicate on indirect discrimination for the same events because it’s a weaker claim, so those claims get dismissed but that doesn’t mean much.

I’m not a lawyer myself, so disclaimers et al that I don’t know more than that!

I went and looked on the BBC too, why isn't it there?

I wanted the user name but mumsnet is not allowed so had to use a z.

Would like a t shirt and stickers

Brilliant news. I think it will make employers more wary of criticising or disciplining employees for GC behaviour, particularly when that behaviour hasn't actually been at work. Maya hadn't been unpleasant to anyone in her job or misgendered/ correctly sexed anyone at her place of work. Her employer just wanted to be the thought police