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Amy Hamm - Canadian Nurse being disciplined for being GC

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IcakethereforeIam · 05/07/2022 12:57

I've not seen a thread on Amy on MN and the search didn't show up anything. She seems to be being put through the wringer by tras and by her nursing college.

I thought if she saw this thread it might be cheering Flowers, she's on twitter. I found her thanks to Bette.

quillette.com/2022/04/08/im-being-investigated-by-the-british-columbia-college-of-nurses-because-i-believe-biological-sex-is-real/

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Signalbox · 09/11/2023 21:31

JellyJazzy · 09/11/2023 21:11

Does anyone have any thoughts as to the likelihood of AH being disciplined or losing her job or profession over this? I don't understand the Canadian employment tribunal /legal framework around it because it just seems like she's speaking sense. Anyone with any inside knowledge of the Canadian system?

My understanding is that the Council tried to get her to agree to a 2 week suspension and social media training which she refused and that is why she’s ended up having to face a full hearing.

If the Canadian system is anything like the UK system and If her fitness to practise is found to be impaired I think her difficulty will be lack of insight and refusal to accept any “re-education” required of her. She’ll potentially end up with a much worse sanction if she doesn’t admit wrongdoing and show some remorse.

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IcakethereforeIam · 12/11/2023 13:22

Don't know how I missed this. Longish article summarising Amy's testimony. Seems very supportive of her. Also has an article on Cantor's testimony. Barbara Findlay mis-fonted throughout 😁

https://www.newwesttimes.com/news/the-battle-for-sex-church-of-gender-versus-amy-hamm/article_d300e482-7f69-11ee-b965-7b68788b9076.html

Article on Dr Cantor (to be read at a gallop?)

https://www.newwesttimes.com/news/hamm-hearing-hijinks-dr-james-cantor-debunks-affirmative-care/article_6e5fa028-72e8-11ee-9ec3-2f4d180024a9.html#tncms-source=article-nav-next

And this just for fun. Covers Amy Hamm, Jordan Peterson and other shenanigans in Canadian health care.

https://www.newwesttimes.com/news/why-canada-s-health-colleges-can-t-win-the-fights-they-picked-with-jordan-peterson/article_24b3f0b4-6f87-11ee-a097-67c290562d1a.html#tncms-source=article-nav-next

I'll stop now.

The Battle for Sex; Church of Gender Versus Amy Hamm

It’s a holy war.

https://www.newwesttimes.com/news/the-battle-for-sex-church-of-gender-versus-amy-hamm/article_d300e482-7f69-11ee-b965-7b68788b9076.html

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IcakethereforeIam · 12/11/2023 13:30

One more.

Link to Tribunal Tweets substack with more links to tweet threads covering the last days of testimony and a bunch of other stuff.

WARNING ⚠️ some of the threads mis-font BF completely 😢

https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/british-columbia-college-of-nurses

It seems the decision should be reached early in the new year.

British Columbia College of Nurses and Midwives vs Amy Hamm

This hearing is not being covered by Tribunal Tweets but by concerned Canadians, tweeting as @goinglikeelsie, @ellementrogue and @ShannonBDouglas. Also of interest tweets from We are following the hearing and will post roll ups of her tweets here. We h...

https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/british-columbia-college-of-nurses

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AlisonDonut · 12/11/2023 15:00

Thanks for this, I lost track this week when JC was giving evidence. Isn't Amy wonderful?

fallfallfall · 12/11/2023 15:27

Ongoing positive thoughts for Amy

IcakethereforeIam · 12/11/2023 16:41

Amy is wonderful, but like many who have found themselves at the front line of this...stupid battle she's an unremarkable remarkable woman. Amy, Maya, Doc Stock, Moira Deeming, Rosie Duffield*, brilliant women just doing their jobs and thrown into the spotlight because they were brave enough to say 'no' to fuckwits.

*amongst others.

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IcakethereforeIam · 19/11/2023 21:45

Reproduced with kind permission of @howdoesatoastermaketoast

For Amy

“I stand with Amy Hamm” is trending, p'raps at last the lie is ending.
She's the nurse they think so horrid, (though far from clear on what she did).
They say she must be ruled unfit, cannot her job perform if it
Is not the case that she agrees, a man can change sex if he please.

There are two points of view it seems, the world's dividing into teams.
Both sides are sure, it’s fair to say. T’the others true outright dismay.
Amy they say must be unfit, cannot her job perform if it
Is not the case that she agrees, a man can change sex if he please.

It’s difficult to understand why p’ple would insist she’s banned
And cannot practise her career, but ‘tis the case they make it clear.
Amy they say must be unfit, cannot her job perform if it
Is not the case that she'll agree, people are what they wish to be.

They do not ask if up is down , they do not ask if red is brown,
they do not ask if water’s wet , but no less crazy does it get.
Amy is asked in many ways, same question in a diff’rent phrase.
It is the case do you agree, people are what they wish to be?

Under oath she's kindly stated, firmly, gently, but clearly said;
a male person, a good nurse knows, stays male. That's just how it goes.
Amy is asked in many ways, same question in a diff’rent phrase.
Just which men will you agree become women and to what degree?

So under oath she plainly swears, women exist and people care.
There are two types of human being, no matter what a man finds freeing.
They say a nurse cannot perform, unless agreeing sex is worn.
Just which men will you agree become women and to what degree?

It may still be that sex is real, doesn't matter it's how you feel.
Identity is all there is, so you adjust whatever his.
They say a nurse cannot perform, unless agreeing sex is worn.
Would she perhaps kindly agree, a woman's not anatomy.

Women's a word we've redefined and Amy gets it wrong you’ll find.
She keeps keeping on quite rudely, speaking facts so very crudely.
They say she's too unkind, a stress, cannot her job perform unless...
would she perhaps kindly agree, a woman's not anatomy.

It's a sense anyone can claim, accessories and acts and fame.
Procedures that're undertaken, unwanted sex can be shaken.
They say she's too unkind, a stress, cannot her job perform unless...
she will declare it true indeed, that woman's not a word we need.

To mean anything specific, meaningless words are terrific.
It seems they have not realised, bodies are not homogenised.
So sure and certain they are right, they fight a nurse with all their might
so she'll declare it true indeed, that woman's not a word we need.

Amy's through and cannot bear it, had enough and dares to share it.
Thinks for herself and refuses, to lie, deny and so chooses
to risk it all defending truth, to risk it all defending youth.
It is the case she will not lie, maintains that women signify.

Woman is a word we still need, to understand the girls who bleed.
Not all bodies are just the same, it doesn't matter what you claim.
A nurse must know her patients sex, reality is not pretext.
A nurse cannot her job perform, if we all forget this norm.

howdoesatoastermaketoast (Nov. 2023)

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Cailin66 · 20/11/2023 07:48

IcakethereforeIam · 12/11/2023 13:07

Amy tweeted a picture of a quilt a retired midwife made her, it's absolutely beautiful

https://twitter.com/preta_6/status/1723492904604471598?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

That account is deleted?

Signalbox · 20/11/2023 07:56

Cailin66 · 20/11/2023 07:48

That account is deleted?

I think Amy is on a Twitter break.

IcakethereforeIam · 30/11/2023 11:58

This surprised me, and apparently the author too. An article written by someone who says they are trans (I'm assuming a tw, but could be a regular woman with an interesting hair colour 😉) that's generally supportive of Amy, if a little patronising.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/i-dont-agree-with-amy-hamm-but-i-was-wrong-about-her-fight-for-free-speech

With comments!!

Julia Malott: I don't agree with Amy Hamm. But I was wrong about her fight for free speech

While provocative, there has been nothing in the nurse's comments on transgender policies that warrant censure

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/i-dont-agree-with-amy-hamm-but-i-was-wrong-about-her-fight-for-free-speech

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AlisonDonut · 30/11/2023 12:04

Julia Malott is on a mission to force team himself with Genspect and the like, to get in on WPATH mark 2. So I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

IcakethereforeIam · 30/11/2023 14:06

I should have realised there'd be an angle.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/11/2023 14:09

article written by someone who says they are trans (I'm assuming a tw, but could be a regular woman with an interesting hair colour

No, you were right first time.

Signalbox · 30/11/2023 19:20

What a weird article.

The author admits at the start to being completely misinformed about Amy having assumed that she had been "taking advantage of a guise of “free speech” to directly go after the dignity and humanity of vulnerable individuals in the pursuit of her policy objectives."

But after looking a bit deeper finds that Amy's older tweets weren't actually anywhere near as hateful as JM had assumed and actually JM could envisage a situation where they (JM and Amy) might have been friends :/

"The Hamm portrayed in these documents — someone I could possibly have envisaged as a friend"

BUT sadly (JM laments at the end), Amy has been altered, "perhaps irrevocably", by becoming more strident in her views; a result perhaps of the ongoing legal process and the impingement of Amy's free speech.

(I'm assuming now that a friendship is off the table)

Julia Malott | National Post

https://nationalpost.com/author/julia-malott/

fallfallfall · 01/12/2023 22:17

i read the article a few days ago when it came up on my newsfeed.
i had difficulty following it and thought it a poorly written piece since i've kept up to date on AH and the general issues.
most of the msn comments at the time (although very censored) were similar to my findings, confusing.

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fallfallfall · 09/02/2024 22:05

Hearings (bccnm.ca)
closing arguments March 18th and 19th 2024.
the college has really dragged this out.

Hearings

https://www.bccnm.ca/Public/complaints/Pages/hearings.aspx

IcakethereforeIam · 09/02/2024 23:38

There's more!? I thought we were just waiting for a decision!

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miri1985 · 10/02/2024 04:22

I cannot get over how disjointed this is, how on earth do they expect people to be able to adjudicate a case over such a long period, I looked up the dates:

"In total she spent 21 days before the panel, spanning 14 months: three days in September 2022, four days in October 2022, and four days in January 2023, and 10 days in October and November 2023."

What would happen if someone on the panel quit/died during such a long period over which this has been heard? You would assume hearings about peoples livelihoods would be conducted in a much more professional and structured way. I would also be concerned about the mental health of someone who has a disciplinary process going on for years on end

fallfallfall · 10/02/2024 05:19

I agree, they are most likely wanting to wear her down and have her agree to a consent order to undertake reeducation.

nauticant · 10/02/2024 11:59

It also induces fatigue in the audience with people eventually losing the will to follow the proceedings and drifting away.

It is a very effective tactic for a poweful and well-resourced body to grind down an individual.

Signalbox · 16/03/2024 14:48

https://twitter.com/JCCFCanada/status/1768747613870752221

Continuing on Monday...

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