Amy Hamm - Canadian Nurse being disciplined for being GC

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I've not seen a thread on Amy on MN and the search didn't show up anything. She seems to be being put through the wringer by tras and by her nursing college.

I thought if she saw this thread it might be cheering , she's on twitter. I found her thanks to Bette.

quillette.com/2022/04/08/im-being-investigated-by-the-british-columbia-college-of-nurses-because-i-believe-biological-sex-is-real/

I counted at least 3 times. 🙄

What this panel or the wider pool for crnbc panelists?

MS - the college objects to any of the 10 volumes of popular articles going in as evidence. None of them is admissible. The news reports are hearsay. Factual evidence needs to be proferred by a witness or adopted by an expert. Opinion evidence inadmissible unless offered by a testifying expert. Tweets inadmissible as writers have not testified.

MS: The Q is, are AH's statements discriminatory towards transgender people. Nothing to do with if other people were making same kind of statements.

[KS has the kind of look that she might give a v annoying student who hasn't read the texts or handed in their essay and is coming up with a rubbish set of excuses as to why they didn't.]

LB: The college is going after AH for her off-duty comments in the public square. It's entirely relevant to the debate, contextualising AH's comments within the environment in which she was engaging.

Chair says the panel will take 30 minutes - 30 minutes?! - to consider this objection. Over tea and cake followed by a nice brisk walk?

Are they GC at all @fallfallfall or have they drank the koolaid?

If a poster on here genuinely knows one of the panel members on this committee I'm fairly sure that it isn't wise to discuss it.

EJ Goodman and her panel really are the gold standard for these tribunals.

Martin Reuby was excellent.

so she is viewable on the panel online.
although she has heard my views upon a few occasions she has always remained professional.
i've known for years she was part of the crnbc disciplinary committee and was known to be a fair and level headed person.
she was wise enough to not share her personal views with me, but she will be firm on the professional side and the use of her rn status.

Martin Reuby was excellent.

@Ameanstreakamilewide Yes, I remember his almost casual-sounding questions that cut right through to the matter.

I remember his interjections of 'Judge', in that very matter-of-fact way.
No airs and graces, or use of a 'telephone voice'.

He didn't miss a single thing.

I hope Amy is ok tonight. She must be exhausted

KS explaining that in the UK since 2018 evidence has come to light that there are significant problems in telling men they can id as women and go into rape crisis centres, prisons etc. Re the treatment of children reports have said it's no longer considered appropriate to automatically confirm in their GI.

KS's beliefs are now protected in law in the UK as a philosophical belief and there has been an opening up of space around all this.

[Canada feels a long way behind]

Five minutes for the college to discuss before they q KS. Looks like MS rather than BF (and if there were a SUPER CAPITAL font I'd use it for BF).

Oh. The college doesn't have any qs for KS. Neither does the panel.

No questions from college or panel for KS!

College has no questions for Dr Stock.

MS looked so smug when he announced that.

That seems to be a bit of surprise for everyone. Chair saying we now have two hours to twiddle our thumbs. Anything we can put in to pass the time?

Nope.

Adjourning then.

Excellent capture of the testimony by yourself - you must be a really fast typist.

I don't understand how it can benefit the college not to cross-examine KS. Unless they realised that she would wipe the floor with them and her responses would just make them look silly.

Thank you.

Back in the day typing jobs were the only way to earn some money during university vacations. So I got a book on touch typing out of the library...

@Signalbox Yes, I thought too that they wouldn't be able to stand up to her arguments, and didn't want to give her any more airtime.

I wonder if they'll pull the same tactic with Coach Blade tomorrow. They must really be running scared if they don't even attempt to challenge Amy's experts.

but if it's about her use of her professional title maybe all the expert testimony only muddies the waters so to speak.
and regardless of the societal value to opening up the discussion maybe they plan to keep it just to the rn use vs the views she holds.

They definitely are not keeping it to just the RN use, yesterday and this morning BF was questioning Amy and she was desperately trying to get Amy to say that her views in general were transphobic and that she thought Trans people should not have human rights. BF barely touched on the aspects related to Amy identifying herself as a nurse.

@Mmmnotsure - thank you so much for your commentary, it has helped me tremendously. 💐

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