So tired of people expecting me to have a certain opinion because I am Black.

[Namerci]

I really need to vent. I am so f... tired of always having to be the good black girl who is oblivious , have no opinion and loves everyone. YESS I only care about dancing, and of course I am super bubbly and fun. But somewhat, never, have an opinion that's not regarded as "tolerant".

2 of my friends (white) I, were talking about Emmanuel Macron ( Hating on the president is a national sport).

One of them starting discussing about how she wants surrogacy in France legal because it would make things more equal for gay men and trans women ( No mention of women who have infertility issues).

I told her that I am against it, because it trivializes the danger of child birth and would only lead to the exploitation of poor women. I added, gay men and trans women can (if there's no underline condition) can have children biologically.

Then of course arrived what I call "the black talk" :

• But it is racism against transwomen
• I thought black people were more open minded because they are subject to intolerance

I am married to a white man. One of my friend said " Oh interracial marriage was illegal at some point, so you wouldn't be pregnant if people didn't change their minf, why refuse to others what you have
I got angry and responded:
"Because I can get f**ing pregnant. I am not a man. Was the father Asian, Black, Native American, Mixed, makes no difference. I have no fertility problems so any adult "healthy" human man can get me pregnant."

Then I also made a point that they can adopt if they so want a child. Friend said " Adopting in France is hard, so gay men or transwomen would have to go for African or Asian babies,they also have the right to have biological babies".

I just left after that. So African or Asian babies are second best boohoo , poor white people. It isn't African/Asian babies fault if women's death during labour is more prevalent in their homeland. Nor if white babies are the state's property.

The black talk just continued over texting, from the slavery thing to black people are all left wings and should support minorities. No. I don't support the exploitation of women's body which will benefit men ( Gay or Transwomen). 2 men cannot have a biological child, neither can a biological men.

I am not only black I am also a woman. My race is always used against me to undermine my opinion. It p... me off so badly.

Sorry this is just a rant

" Adopting in France is hard, so gay men or transwomen would have to go for African or Asian babies,they also have the right to have biological babies".

this mentality scares me. We aren't all that far away in history from men automatically owning the babies that women had no choice but to bear for them.
"Men have the right to have babies" is bringing that mentality back again and disguising it as progress. Surrogacy already recreates that situation in law.

Sorry, I know that's not the point of the thread, it's just that this should terrify any woman. Your friends have their heads up their asses in many different ways.

Also they are so fucking racist. How fucking offensive is it to compare interracial marriage to surrogacy?

@TastefulRainbowUnicorn

You are absolutely right. We aren't that much advanced. I have watched tons of documentaries on it. Gay men going to the Philippines, Ukraine, to pick the best looking woman, pay her a miniscule amount of money ( Currency disparacy). Et voilà you have a baby.

It doesn't matter if the woman can die or have lasting injuries. It doesn't matter if she is doing it to feed her children or because her abusive husband wants the money. It is disgusting. But now, on top of that, we'll have to accept the exploitation of our bodies because transwomen are biological men ( Guess the transwomen are women narrative has its limits).

Of course, some say "Some women want to do it". As long as there is power imbalance, I will always be against it.

Men want to own women, then become women, so what's next ? If they ever find out a way to create artificial uterus, they gonna kill all baby girls?

Imagine if we put all this effort, money, in helping actual women who are abused worldwide.

Your friends are racist (and misogynistic) idiots who think you should only hold opinions they think are acceptable because of your skin tone.

As for their comments on interracial marriage - I'd honestly end the friendship on that comparison. How fucking awful can you get?

It sounds infuriating op. I’m in an interracial marriage too, and if one of my friends compared my marriage to renting a womb, they wouldn’t remain my friend for very long. 💐

God it never fucking ends does it? I'm sorry that you are getting it in spades from you "friends".

I'd just cut them loose tbh. I don't have any friends -anymore- that use the word Cis.

next time this topic comes up ask why can’t transwomen have their own babies because after all they are women aren’t they ?

and if gay men want babies well then they can have uterus transplants and carry their own.

No they can't have children because having it like cis hetero people will be like raping them. They are women and want to get pregnant. White people use to rape black slaves before. It would be the same."

wait a goddamn second. That text is from your “friend” to you? I misunderstood it at first. Their comparison to “white people raping black slaves” isn’t the white people who are paying poor Asian woman a pittance to carry a child for them… it’s men not being able to get pregnant? Men not being able to buy babies?

What did she even MEAN? And how dare she talk about black women being raped and compare it to white men not being able to get everything they want?

And she accused you of having a racist white people opinion?

fucking hell. I hope you told her she has a racist white people opinion. What an asshole.

Your friends are idiots. Black women have as many different opinions on things as white women do. And how they dare they compare the struggles that black and other racial minorities have endured over the years to surrogacy.

Their comments on inter-racial marriage, well, I should be astonished but sadly, I am not.

Bon courage!

I hear you OP. Just because I am from a traditionally discriminated against group it should automatically mean I support any pile of crap that is seen as that awful word “woke”.
I am a woman first thanks!

No they can't have children because having it like cis hetero people will be like raping them. They are women and want to get pregnant. White people use to rape black slaves before. It would be the same."

Oh, my f*ing god. They really said this. Words fail.

Jesus op, I don't know how you can still consider these people as your friends, they are blatantly racist and disrespectful, you don't need people like that in your life.

Omg I am so shocked. You are so extroverted and funny. I can't believe you have racist white people opinion. No they can't have children because having it like cis hetero people will be like raping them. They are women and want to get pregnant. White people use to rape black slaves before. It would be the same

This is one of the most disgusting, ignorant, racist, misogynistic, rape-minimising, slavery-minimising, statements I have ever read.

Omg I am so shocked. You are so extroverted and funny. I can't believe you have racist white people opinion. No they can't have children because having it like cis hetero people will be like raping them. They are women and want to get pregnant. White people use to rape black slaves before. It would be the same."

I'm lost for words. Never ceases to amaze me how racist self proclaimed "progressive anti racists" can be. It a real issue too. I subscribe to a few YouTube channels run by black content creators who regularly complain about the expectation that they should have certain opinions because of their skin colour. It's nearly always white progressives telling them their opinions are wrong.

I'm really sorry you have friends who are so concerned with adhering to the white liberal narrative that they can't even "see" you.

White people use to rape black slaves before. It would be the same."

No it would not
I would never speak to them again

What twats.

Argh I can't remember the name of the American Professor who likened the whole birthing bodies to slavery in an amazing interview on YouTube.

Make them watch it. (If anyone can find it!)

It will need a part two with Roev Wade overturn.

I've just read one of your later posts; why are you friends with them?!

God how controlling, policing your opinions in line with your skin colour. And such depressing opinions, men do not have a right to have children. Nobody does.

How the hell is a tranperson having a biological child (that they presumably want) comparable to the rape of enslaved women? Their thinking is a mess.

Totally with you. There are some issues which transcend race etc.

Your experiences and mine are not identical because you're back and I'm Jewish. What we share is being female.

I thought black people were more open minded because they are subject to intolerance

Yes, I get that, too: I thought Jewish people were more open minded because they are subject to intolerance.

No. I don't support the exploitation of women's body which will benefit men.

Absolutely. What we can bring to the table by virtue of our experiences as minorities is what true inclusiveness looks like: mutual respect, not crushing one to elevate the other.

Another one by Dr suzanne forbes-vierling.

This YouTube has an interesting twitter discussion similar to what your "friends" tried to do OP at around 15 mins in.

There are trigger warnings for the first 15 mins before that, just to warn.

Sorry that you had to endure such profound stupidity from those who should be your friends.

Just like the sex and gender identity issue, a lot of discourse around race is heavily censored and curated in 'progressive circles' by activists so that only those black and brown people who toe certain ideological lines are given any consideration or respect.

Since genuine diversity of opinion is never encouraged in these social circles, there is a dumbing down of people's mental faculties to the point where they assume everyone with a certain skin colour holds the same viewpoints.
They are so wrapped up in self righteousness and getting high off believing they are morally superior to other white people that they don't realise how morally bankrupt and racist they themselves have become.

That's why they cannot handle it when a black or brown person doesn't toe the line and voices opinions that don't align with the race activists. They don't know how to handle the fact that black and brown people have just as much diversity and disagreement in their views as white people. So they spout more and more stupid excuses and explanations to avoid the cognitive dissonance.

You need new friends.

Why are these crass, virtue signalling asshats your friends? They sound awful 😖 😱

Your friends think they are woke, but ironically they are racists. They think they are your friends but they only want to hear from you if your opinions match their narrow view of what they think you should say. It's absolutely shit that you have to put up with this @Namerci