Fck it. Just going to identify as agender as a GC feminist.

[Metabigot]

I'm technically agender anyway as I choose to not believe in gender woo.

If males can infiltrate feminism by saying they're women I'm infiltrating transgendersism by identifying as agender.

If I'm asked my gender identity why shouldn't I say this, it's technically true according to stonewall.

Quite like the idea of being a double agent of sorts....

You know that there were other versions of that story. The serpent being Sophia the Goddess of wisdom enabled Eve/Zoe to pass on wisdom as well as life (Zoe means life) to Adam who had been made not by the ultimate mysterious deity but an arrogant fallen demiurge unable to imbue him with life. After Eve/Zoe arrives on the the scene Adam wakes from his deep sleep very happy to see her.

There were a lot of differing interpretations of the story, that is just one.

The one we all know so well is told by the institution willing to burn books and people to retain power.

Religion is messed up, period. And I include gender ideology in "religion" as it is a faith based ideology. I'm not a believer. If something requires me to "believe" in it, I'm just not buying it.

Just popped in here and saw this thread. Apparently I am supposed to be kind and not making fun of the fact that there allegedly are about a 100 gender identities and that the NHS (and Keir Starmer) refuses to define what a woman is. Got it.

And this about 2 days after 51% of the population are directly impacted by the Roe vs Wade. I wonder if it is the cervix havers or the womb carriers, can anyone help me out?

or is there anything in the gender identities which can give me a clue as to who an abortion ban impacts?

Interesting. Who was Eve/Zoe made by? Why was she alive but Adam not? Or rather, he was deeply asleep?

Maybe he was practicing for the future when he lay on the sofa watching footie whilst the mrs cooked the sunday roast...

ps joke. it's a joke, just in case the humour prefects call the cops on me.

So happy you told me it was a joke beloved. I understand that there is a large proportion of the population who really doesn’t like that people make fun of anything they say.

I was joking. My OH is on a chair, not the sofa. The sofa is MINES!!!!

Beloved

@Belovedfool
So iirc the story is that there was a supreme being. This being was alone in all the universe then it had a thought. The thought then became Thought and the being was no longer alone.

I think of this being a bit like there was a single cell organism which at some point divided into two.

Anyway the Thought then gave birth to the Logos and Sophia amongst others.

Sophia wanted to know the original source of the Thought but couldn’t find it so fell into despair and confusion and from that despair and confusion was born the demiurge who was arrogant did not acknowledge Sophia as his mother and repeatedly declared that he was the only God, creator and ruler of all.

The Demiurge then starts making stuff from matter but it is all flawed because he is flawed. He makes Adam in his image but Adam can’t move. Sophia realises what is going on, regrets her part in it, sees that some of her light is now trapped matter by the demiurge and sends her daughter Eve/Zoe to help Adam become aware of the truth of the situation first by giving him life enabling him to walk and then Sophia turns herself into a serpent or possesses a serpent and gives Eve/Zoe the apple to share with Adam so that both will have the gift of knowledge/wisdom and be able ultimately to free themselves from the demiurge to free Sophia’s light from matter.

Something along those lines anyway… just another creation story but a less misogynistic one.

I’d be really interested to know, @placewherewebelong , if you think all of the xenogenders and neopronouns are all just valid parts of gender identity, and therefore must never be mocked, whether it’s dollkin or otherkin or spacecatgender or therian or cupioromantic or whatever.

If a thirteen year old pops up demanding I change their name to Felix and use xie/xir pronouns because they claim they really are catgender, is it transphobic not to believe in every last bit of it all?

Are they being transphobic? Is not immediately validating this “identity” transphobic? If we ever crack a gentle smile on hearing the latest made up xenogender invented by teenagers on Tumblr is that also transphobic?

Here’s a list of some identity labels straight off social media:
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rabiespunk, biromantic, lovegender, quoisexual, achillean, sapphillean, ponygender, celestetherea, chigender, kittigender, bugender, flopgender, fligender, liminalgender, lovepunk, amatopunk, plushgender, bunnygender, bungender, moongender, octogender, muttgender chaotithing, citriaromic, knifegender, termcollectorflux, gyneflexible, liongender, feminyc, dispugender, junic, doxigender, duogender, osimirian, zygomycotagender, cosmicgender, omnisexual, arospec, acespec

Do you genuinely think these really all actually exist? And that any mocking of any of these is transphobic? We’re all meant to treat these as sacred cows in case we offend anyone who identifies as such?

If you cant bring yourself to respect 13 year old Felix and their pronouns, then I can't help you.

So not believing every last bit of what Felix says = not respecting Felix?

Thanks for that! I've never been interested in religion, but as I get older I get more curious, not about the religion, but the stories. That's much nicer than the Eve is wicked stuff.

Not believing is different to mocking.

If you cant bring yourself to respect 13 year old Felix and their pronouns, then I can't help you.

What are your thoughts on people who have surgery to give themselves certain racial traits and then declare they are that race?

Do you think that's respectful? Or is that cultural appropriation?

I think thats a very different argument.

Not believing is different to mocking.

But she can mock it later, anonymously without identifying anyone. No one is suggesting doing it to Felix's face, are they?

Why is it different?

I think thats a very different argument.

Yes you do, because you are blinkered by gender identity ideology. I can't see why it would be in any way different or less valid, but please enlighten me.

I think thats a very different argument.

Why?

How is claiming to be the opposite sex to what you are any different to claiming to be a different race from what you are?

I think thats a very different argument.

Why?

So if Felix identifies as a Gnostic or a flat earther or a Korean pop star am I obliged to go along with it as well, it is it only when gender gets invoked that I have to start installing cat flaps with a straight face?

Why? Why is being trans racial any different to any other sort of trans?

It looks exactly the same. If anything it’s more reasonable, as race is such a wooly concept whereas sex is a clear immutable binary.

You cannot be serious.

If an adult male or female wishes to identify as trans, I couldn’t care less. I will respect their pronouns etc etc. However, that is not to say I am going to pander to someone’s ideology if I disagree with it.

A trans woman sees herself as a woman, that’s all good, they can ID however they like, but in my eyes they are a trans woman. I do not believe that someone can change sex. A woman cannot have a penis, a trans woman can.

However, I absolutely do not agree with the whole Mermaids/Stonewall attitude of positive affirmation. This is doing untold damage to children and how they see themselves. The push, for young girls in particular, to take cross-sex drugs and undergo surgery is an absolute travesty. It has not gone unnoticed that young trans girls are not pushed to surgery in the same way trans boys are.

The whole attitude of the TRA is both frighteningly misogynistic and homophobic. They are very vocal about outlawing conversion therapy for the trans community but are they not guilty of gay conversion by leading young people to think they are trans when in fact they might be gay.

The gender stereotyping is laughable, oh your a boy and don’t like sports, you must be trans. If you’re a girl and you don’t like playing with dolls and want short hair, you must be trans.

Those who have a medical diagnosis of BDD are being let down by both Stonewall and Mermaids. Everyone is welcome to their Trans party, male heterosexual cross-dressers, fetishists, men with AGP. In my eyes these are the men who are attacking women with threats of rape, the ones who insist on invading women’s spaces with a beard and a pair of heels.

These men, who can now very conveniently ID as women to belittle and denigrate women, or to get access into women’s spaces such as prisons, these people, I do not consider trans, not in the slightest.

You are welcome @Belovedfool I am interested in religious stories, how religions develop and spread, how they are connected to each other, what common themes emerge across different religions and what that tells us about what we humans needs from them, how and why they originally catch on, then how they can be appropriated and used for particular agendas etc etc