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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

ScotGov Gender Reform Bill - tomorrow

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Hagiography · 13/06/2022 21:56

Professor Sharon Cowan, Professor of Feminist and Queer Legal Studies, University of Edinburgh School of Law

Naomi Cunningham, Barrister, Outer Temple Chambers and Chair, Sex Matters

Karon Monaghan QC, Barrister, Matrix Chambers

David Parker, Lead Clinician, National Gender Identity Clinical Network for Scotland

www.parliament.scot/chamber-and-committees/committees/current-and-previous-committees/session-6-equalities-human-rights-and-civil-justice-committee/meetings/2022/ehrcjs62218/agenda

Will be screened live.

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Hagiography · 14/06/2022 11:51

Reduxx site doesnt' seem to be working.

Archive: web.archive.org/web/20220606014846/reduxx.info/top-trans-medical-association-collaborated-with-castration-child-abuse-fetishists/

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Hagiography · 14/06/2022 11:52

demand increased sharply since pandemic

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malloo · 14/06/2022 12:10

That was a good question about "Is there one thing common to all trans people that they all experience" Answer bla bla bla bla bla. In other words, no!

malloo · 14/06/2022 12:11

We don't know how many people and we don't keep the data

Hagiography · 14/06/2022 12:12

Either these things are indefinable and therefore not coverable by law or they have to be described and defined.

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Hagiography · 14/06/2022 12:13

'I don't know there's a formal minimum age for treatment' - that's a no, then?

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malloo · 14/06/2022 12:14

Why is David Parker whispering? Is it the difficulty in dealing with hearing this stuff said out loud 😀

Hagiography · 14/06/2022 12:15

I don't know, it's quite hard to hear what he's saying.

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Hagiography · 14/06/2022 12:16

He is speaking very very softly.

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malloo · 14/06/2022 12:18

Do you think there would be any unintended consequences?

I think the numbers would be very small

Based on.....what?

Hagiography · 14/06/2022 12:22

It seems clear many of these witnesses/experts are making confident predictions based on no evidence at all.

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Galvantula · 14/06/2022 13:28

I had to connect my tablet to a speaker to hear him. Maybe he was cringing at himself?

It really is as bad as we've been saying though, fuck all definitions, fuck all thought to consequences, just get those barriers down! 🌈

The bullshit about "oh I can't quite see the small print" 🙄 before admitting that numbers overall had doubled in a very short time.

I suspect the figures are worse for young people (aka children), because he completely fudged it, dodged giving numbers or percentage increase and waffled irrelevant shit about the pandemic.

What a tool to be quite honest.

Clangyleg · 14/06/2022 14:19

The GRC seems to be the problem. I thought recent judgements have said that even those with a GRC can be excluded. Karen is almost getting it but IANAL

Clangyleg · 14/06/2022 14:26

The comments about the process being intrusive is just weird, given how intrusive the state is about benefits, nationality, tax etc . Why are these people exempt from what others have to go through? What about privacy for women and girls. Naomi is great.

Clangyleg · 14/06/2022 14:34

Lots of showing of rainbow lanyards, male pattern baldness, and summer dresses in the clips!

Clangyleg · 14/06/2022 14:39

Karen then states that there are questions around other “ identities”

Hagiography · 14/06/2022 14:40

Like, say, Eunuchs?

I know I'm going on about this, but ...

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Clangyleg · 14/06/2022 14:44

In no way should a GRC mean that the male can access womanhood. Or womens spaces. We don’t want even more of these males in our spaces either. No.

Clangyleg · 14/06/2022 14:54

Karen says it’s about a change of sex…which it isn’t .

Clangyleg · 14/06/2022 15:01

Perhaps they should all be stating more plainly what actually happens when people transition medically…they are all skirting about it…

Clangyleg · 14/06/2022 15:03

Apologies all. I am just hopping about in total frustration!

Clangyleg · 14/06/2022 15:17

Pam Duncan. what is the cohort wishing to access via GRC if process is made easier? Clearly those wanting access to females women girls to deceive us. Prisons refuges etc. Thank you Naomi for pointing this out.

littlbrowndog · 14/06/2022 15:39

Clangyleg · 14/06/2022 14:34

Lots of showing of rainbow lanyards, male pattern baldness, and summer dresses in the clips!

I saw that on a clip on Twitter

littlbrowndog · 14/06/2022 15:41

But that minster from the church. How bloody patronising was she

Clangyleg · 14/06/2022 15:46

Naomi is on a roll. Agree totally on exclusion of women