Debate on Parliament TV now on trans conversion therapy

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On now. Already had hate from both sides comment.

More virtual signalling.

They seem to be arguing that conversion therapy should be outlawed . Which it is for LBT.

This is not about LGB.

Trans people already experience more discrimination than LGB.

Which side of history? Alluding back to the fight for gay/lesbian rights.

Most marginalised.

Corbyn - agrees that the ban should include the T

Transphobes!

About half trans attempt suicide

Hundreds of thousands of people are suffering this??? Really?

Jackie Doyle Price - use of the term therapy in this space - my plea to re-examine language - a therapeutic pathway is essential if people are considering medical pathway.

Do they ever back up any of their hyperbole with evidence?

No, of course there’s no evidence.

If they pass this, it will mean parents will be criminalised for taking their children to evidence-led practitioners who know people can’t change sex and that the current spike in trans-identifying female adolescents is a social and psychological issue.

Jackie - much consensus in the room. Looking at the evidence - could find no evidence of this in clinical settings after 1970.

Risk of outlawing legitimate intervention - we need to make sure that this is not outlawed.

Trans not defined - therapeutic pathways important. It is not a straight forward condition. Autism. Girls going through puberty.

Someone coming in tone policing around around autism

JPD - Important that people are given the space for exploration.

Puberty blockers - should not be used without therapeutic pathway.

Hormones dispensed at 16. Loss of sexual function. Male pattern baldness.

Need better care pathways needed.

Must make sure the bill must address only the harmful practices and not good therapeutic practices.

No

They absolutely need to define trans if they're claiming this.
I suspect most of FWR are trans by the Stonewall definition, by way of not having a gender identity.

Sennett else - Trans people twice as likely to be subjected to conversation therapy - according to a survey - what survey?

*someone else

If I was an accredited therapist, I would be really annoyed at the implication that they are not accredited.

• professional (not accredited)

Some hyperbole about religion now.

I'm not sure I can sit through any more today. There's so much rubbish.

I'll watch the rest tomorrow.

OP you're doing a great job.

Did anyone catch she said something like this?

"LGBT people are our fellow men." <moves on to next topic. Backtracks>

"Err.. and women and... err umm, gender non conforming people"

Clear who's important to her. Women and "err, gender non conforming people" an afterthought, nearly forgotten about.

Another speaker - Suicide note from a gay man. Terrible story.

But, this is not about LGB.

Yes ,she got herself into a bit of a knot there.

JFC this is hopeless thank god for Jackie Doyle-Price