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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Husband has come out as Trans after 24 years

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Technibabe59 · 10/06/2022 22:12

Hi. Ive been with my husband almost 25 years, married 18, and have two beautiful children. Everything had been absolutely fine up until September last year. His attitude changed overnight and his behaviour and i thought he was having an affair so at work i emailed him and asked him if he was cheating on me and i wanted to know whats going on. He didnt want to talk but i threatened divorce if he didnt to make him talk. Hes not a great communicator. All i got back was a photo of him sitting at his desk wearing top half mens uniform along with a woman skirt, tights and womens shoes. No explanation. What on earth was i supposed to say or think. I felt numb and sick and still do.

Well after a lot of tears, me arguing and shouting i shut down because i realised this isnt a foght im going to win and that he is actually having an affair with himself. I didnt want to see anyone, i must have come across as not right as so many people kept asking me what was wrong. How could i tell anyone. He made me promise not to say anything yet all his work colleagues in his new job knew before me (he'd only been there 8 weeks!!) , the woman who he'd spent 24 years of his life with and he had openly told me, and proud, he'd been into town fully dressed where noone would recognise him when i took my kids away for a few days leaving him at home alone. How could he? How could he not talk to me. I felt sick and cheated and didnt know what to do, didnt know what this means for me and my children and now my crummy little normal life had exploded into some weird out of body experience. I just cant believe this is happening. You wouldn't expect it if you saw him. The most manly man i know!

Long and short of it we talked for hours going round and round in circles, saying same old things, but he maintains he loves me and our kids and will never leave us. I dont believe him. I think hes staying with me/us out of normality and fear of losing us and family, friends etc. I even at one point took myself down the beach thinking i could end all this pain by walking into the sea but my best friend talked me out of it and then i thought what a horrid life my kids would have without me. I was broken... Lowest ive ever felt, but i pulled myself up and went home.

i applied for marriage counselling and he attended a few sessions, really against his will, but then he started getting angry at our lovely counsellor when she tried to ask more in depth questions as he felt he was being pushed into transitioning. She did no such thing.

He reckons he has felt that way since he was about 10 years old, got caught by his parents wearing his sisters clothes and his dad beat him up to try and knock some sense into him so he kept things buried and suppressed for all these years. This is so sad.

I told him i wont have him in our family home dressed up and that if he wants that life he has to go and we will divorce but keep amicable for the kids as id never atop gim seeing or having the kids. He wont go. No matter what i say he just wont leave.

We're now at a point where weve had to compromise because he wont wear stuff at work for fear someone i know might recognise him and tell me so doesnt want to upset me any further but asked to dress up in private in the bedroom. He started nicking some of my lingerie without asking me and has pinched a wig i had for fun dressing up then used one of my sex toys and i got to the point where id had enough as made me feel right sick so i decided to put all my stuff in a small suitcase with a lock on so he didnt touch my stuff. I hid the key up. Hes sh** with money and has bought quite a lot of sex toys recently and bits and tried to redeem himself by purchasing me a vibrator but every time i think about it i get angry so shoved it back in his face so hes sent it back as i never opened it. He only bought it for me to try to excuse all the stuff he is buying. Im worried hes going to get us in a financial pickle again as we are joint tenants on the mortgage and he wont sign it over to me or even entertain it.

We had a very healthy sex life 2-3 times a week before this happened and now its only every now and again ("very occasionally) but i just close my eyes and wish it was over [removed by MNHQ] Im not a lesbian and i sure as hell wont change my sexual orientation to fit his.

My best friend is actually trans and he says hes gone about it all the wrong way ans his behaviours are very odd to that of what he knows as a transwoman who is also married. He/she doesnt have children so the situation for them is very different.

I now dont know what to do. I'm miserable when he dresses as dont feel i havr a normal sex life (but this is the only time he gets to dress up) and he is miserable when he doesnt dress. I dont want to be on my own either. I dont know how i feel about him anymore either as dont feel hes the same person i met in 1997 and i dont feel the same but got too much at stake to lose at the moment.

He falls asleep all the time in the evenings so we dont spend much time together and he leaves me to do 90% the chores so im only getting 6hrs sleep max a night. To be honest id rather work a 10 hour day than have to be subjected to trans life, a life i didnt sign up for and one i dont want. On the other hand i dont want him to not be who he truly is as that would be incredibly selfish but i dont want that in my life.

I could go on and on about my situation but ive given a brief overview of what I'm goifn through.

If there are other people out there who are in or have been in same situation please contact me. I could use some decent friends who understand what I'm going through and give me some advice.

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HappypusSadpus · 11/06/2022 00:01

Your husband is an autogynaephile. If you dig deeper it probably wasn't the first time Dad beat him up/he was exposed to some form of trauma.

tararabumdeay · 11/06/2022 00:17

Just divorce - no arguing. He can not impose his choices on your life.

FacebookPhotos · 11/06/2022 00:18

I'm so sorry you're going through this. You are in a horrible situation because you now have to decide if you can live this way forever or if you need to end the marriage. Your children already sensed your unhappiness and it really isn't healthy for them to see you live this way if there's any alternative. Staying together "for the kids" is almost always way more damaging to the kids than separating.

Ignoring the main issue, it seems your husband:

  • is habitually dishonest with you
  • is spending money you don't have on his fetish
  • is happy to have sex knowing you're hating every second

Any one of those three would be a good enough reason to leave.

TwentyOneTwentyTwo · 11/06/2022 00:44

I told him "you can't do this to her, you can't marry her!" and he responded "I won't do anything to her, I'm sorry for how I hurt you with what I said, so I shall never tell her!". I can't get behind that - it's still a bone of contention between him and me, but: it's also not my place to tell her. I barely know her.

That's gross. You should tell someone when their physical health is at risk.

SarahDippity · 11/06/2022 00:50

He has changed the agreement of your relationship and you are not obliged to suffer through it.

Iwonder08 · 11/06/2022 03:55

I would understand if you wanted divorce.. It doesnt sound like you do though. What does he actually want to achieve? Cross dressing, leaving like a woman openly but stay married? Would you be happy with either of this options?
I don't think you need marriage counselling, you both need individual therapy to untangle your feelings.

Hawkins001 · 11/06/2022 04:50

All the best and positivity op

Luredbyapomegranate · 11/06/2022 06:43

You just need to separate don’t you?

Pull your financials, go see a solicitor, hatch a plan, tell him what’s happening.

I’m sorry this has happened, but the sooner you move on the better. The kids will adjust fine and everyone will be much happier.

Technibabe59 · 11/06/2022 07:24

We have talked face to face after the initial chat over email and had 12 weeks of marriage counselling (although he only stuck at it for a few weeks because of me and not because he wanted to talk about it). He fekt thr counsellor was goinf to xoercw him into transitioning and this is something he has repeatedly said he doesnt want to do... Which i find weird but hey go. All this fuss, heartachea and devastation... For what? I have repeatedly said if you dont want to stay then go but he doesn't. He repeatedly says he loves me and cant live without me. Trouble is he wants his cake and eat it. Im not stupid.

Not exactly the sort of thing you talk about with 2 young children around. It isnt easy. My husband isnt good at talking but better to email at work with kids out of the way. He never gives me any time once kids are in bed as always falls asleep.

He says he'll give it all up if it means not losing me and kids. Whilst i would love to believe him im not stupid. I dont believe any of the sh*t he tells me. I put up with our situation at the moment because i dont have the money behind me to walk away but im working on that and also with my children i need to get my oldest through high school before the carnage starts as both of them suffer with anxiety, esp my oldest (the one who has autism and other learnign difficulties).

Im lucky im not stupid enough to share any bank accounts with him except for bills account which i handle and i do talk to him regularly to make sure hes not getting us financially in the poo. Ive already said if he does again hes gone. He kept a huge debt hidden from me for years which nearly cost us losing our home last year but when a relative died and left him a huge lump sum (which would have paid our mortgage off) it paid it all off. Now he has no back up plan so i do keep eye on what's going on. He did pay some off mortgage but not all and the money hes contributed atill doesnt equate to what i initially put in years ago. He has paid for some improvements aroudn thr home too so i am at least grateful for that.

Since covid he hasnt had any time on his own (outside of work) to dress up in secret and go out as we've all been here. I was completely clueless for 24 years and had absoluetly no idea what he was doing. He was wearing lingerie under work clothes as well to help cope with his dysphoria so came home to us as he normally would. I had no clue. He works in IT in wn industry where he can wera a proper work top and either trousers or skirt. He used to get chnaged apparently in the toilets before and after work. I actuay feel really sorry for him to think hes so desperate to clutch on to any little thing he can to vet his fix. Whilst i have tried to be supportive and triee things to fit in with his trans world i absolutely loath it. How can i support something that has ruined my marriage. No i cant.

We arsnt as close as we once were and thats down to me trying to distance myself and prepare for a life without him. I know the inevitable is coming, but just for now im trying to keep everything normal as it should be for the sake of the kids for a bit longer and to give me time to save up before i make my next move. Starting a life in debt with no money on my own isnt advisable. Hes never hit or physically hurt me so this is why ive stayed... For now.

Its a huge financial implication to just walk away. If i initiate divorce i will be responsible for paying a huge bill to court, not him as i initiated it, and at the moment as i dont have a lot of funds behind me i cant buy him out as want to keep my home. His parents are both very old and frail and his mother is very poorly sadly and we dont think will be here this time next year. Once his parents are gone and he doesnt have to worry about them finding out about this and he gets his part of inheritance things will be very different. Thats the point i plan to leave as i know he'll be ok to get himself another place then we can talk about what we're goinf to do with my home. Hopefully in a year or two ill have funds behind me. Sound awful i know but my solicitor has advised me getting some money behind me for me amd my children.

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Technibabe59 · 11/06/2022 07:29

He works in IT

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Technibabe59 · 11/06/2022 07:31

It is disrespectful and this is why im so upset. The man i wanted to spend my whole life with just turned everything up. On its head and for what...

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Technibabe59 · 11/06/2022 07:46

No i cant make him talk. Noone can make anyone do anything they dont want to.

I dont need negative comments. If thats anyones intention or to make a mockery/take the pee out of my living hell then jog on and please dont comment as im hurt enough as it is.

I came here for support, not an ear bashing. Im stuck in a situation that the man i love, the man ive been for 25 years and wanted to grow old and die with has turned my universe upside down.

Whilst he says be doesnt want to transition in hie eyes he is too old at 47 an dnot got thr fund to pursue it. Only reason i was tols was because his boss caught him getting changed in toilets, told him it didnt have to be this way, and he was frightened someone at work would know me as both work in the same industry now although ive been in the industry 23 yearsand because i thought he was havign an affair as he had changed overnight and i wouldnt rest until i knew what was going on.

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Technibabe59 · 11/06/2022 07:50

Ps and i still think deep down if he did have the funds yes he would puruse it despite what he tells me.

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Daleksatemyshed · 11/06/2022 08:37

Please do go and look at the Transwidows thread, you will see so much there that rings a bell with you. Unfortunately this behaviour seems to esculate so you can't rely on what your DH says, he may believe it now but it seems to become all consuming. He says he doesn't want to lose you but it's not his choice, you get to stay or go, don't ket him guilt trip you. Good luck

DentonsFringeArnottsWaistcoat · 11/06/2022 08:39

Technibabe59 · 11/06/2022 07:50

Ps and i still think deep down if he did have the funds yes he would puruse it despite what he tells me.

There’s a possibility he might go that route anyway and bankrupt you all in the process.

You might have missed it but here’s the link to the current thread that can help you. Still room for posts on the thread.
post.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4236287-trans-widows-escape-committee-5-and-so-it-continues?reply=117778362

Crazylazydayz · 11/06/2022 08:42

I really feel for you as pp said look at the trans widows thread.

The solicitor was right, get some money behind you and sort out all the paperwork so you know what savings, pensions etc. Also do regular credit checks in both your names so you can catch any loans or debts asap. Finally, if you haven’t done so, sign up to Land Registry alerts and also have your personal email (set one up if you don’t have one) added to the register. This way you will be alerted if he tries to borrow against the house.

I think you are correct that he is waiting until his parents are no longer here then he will embrace the life he wants. That maybe the time to divorce.

Have you asked the solicitor about legally separating but continuing to live in the same house? If possible in separate bedrooms. This would allow you to continue as a family for your DC but financially you can show the point you separated so any debt after this is his alone.

nauticant · 11/06/2022 08:43

I dont need negative comments. If thats anyones intention or to make a mockery/take the pee out of my living hell then jog on and please dont comment as im hurt enough as it is.

If there's one take-away for you from this thread it's to read about others' experiences in having a partner who behaves in ways similar to yours. You really need to learn "the script" (and variations of it) so you can plan things in how to limit the damage to you and your children.

Don't go into this without being forewarned.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3101834-trans-widows-escape-committee

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3471122-trans-widows-escape-committee-2-the-trans-widows-strike-back

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3668898-trans-widows-escape-committee-3-rise-of-the-trans-widows

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3898348-Trans-Widows-Escape-Committee-4-A-New-Hope

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4236287-trans-widows-escape-committee-5-and-so-it-continues

Chamomileteaplease · 11/06/2022 08:47

You haven't really said anything that points to him being trans, more of a transvestite.

However, even taking that (huge issue) out of the equation he sounds horrendous and I hope you can arrange to end the marriage asap. Your children living in this toxic environment is no doubt worse for them than having separated parents.

Iamnotamermaid · 11/06/2022 08:47

To me there are two issues 1) he is not the person you believed him to be. He has let you believe one version but there's a whole different side to him he kept hidden. So I suspect you feel deceived. 2) he did not tell you. Others knew before you like his new colleagues, probably because there are far less impacting consequences. So you feel completely disrespected & humiliated. But his cowardice is a sign that he is trying to avoid the fall out, which I suspect is why he does not want to talk about it.

There will be a fall out, and consequences, but right now is probably not the best time to make big decisions. Maybe get some counselling, take a break by yourself or with a close friend to get your head around what you want & how to move forward and take it from there.

Weatherwax13 · 11/06/2022 08:49

If you can't find a current trans widows thread, tag Tinselangel. She's awesome. There's probably nothing you can describe about your situation that she won't have heard before.
I'm so sorry OP. This is absolutely crap for you.

Phobiaphobic · 11/06/2022 08:56

The fact that he knows damn well who is a woman when it comes to all the housework would enrage me. If he wants to identify as female, then he can do the f*cking grunt work was well. It's not all about getting his rocks off.

OP, I don't know how you can stand this.

RandomMess · 11/06/2022 09:08

He will carry on and end up transitioning whilst destroying your MH in the process - it is the script sadly.

He is obsessed.

I would file for divorce and get the best financial outcome for you and the DC.

He is thriving on the secrecy etc.

It's an awful situation for you and the DC Flowers

justmaybenot · 11/06/2022 09:31

I just havent got the stamina to walk away from my marriage atm and part of me doesnt want to give up either - neither of you want to change, so you really do have irreconcilable differences. You will have to get a divorce, or live with him as he wants to be. You might not want to, but plenty of people don't want a relationship to break down, but that's life - people split up all the time, and it can be very sad and depressing but I think you need to extricate yourself for your sake and that of your dcs.

AgathaAllAlong · 11/06/2022 09:36

Right, so he's a woman when it comes to fashion but not when it comes to gender roles?

OP I think you should divorce. Assets will surely be split. I understand that you want to keep the house and feel that since he's been deceitful he should be the one to leave with nothing, but it won't happen that way. Stuff will be split no matter who actually commences the divorce.

AgathaAllAlong · 11/06/2022 09:39

Sorry somehow missed your update - good for you, get your money together, don't believe what he's telling you, and be off.

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