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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Husband has come out as Trans after 24 years

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Technibabe59 · 10/06/2022 22:12

Hi. Ive been with my husband almost 25 years, married 18, and have two beautiful children. Everything had been absolutely fine up until September last year. His attitude changed overnight and his behaviour and i thought he was having an affair so at work i emailed him and asked him if he was cheating on me and i wanted to know whats going on. He didnt want to talk but i threatened divorce if he didnt to make him talk. Hes not a great communicator. All i got back was a photo of him sitting at his desk wearing top half mens uniform along with a woman skirt, tights and womens shoes. No explanation. What on earth was i supposed to say or think. I felt numb and sick and still do.

Well after a lot of tears, me arguing and shouting i shut down because i realised this isnt a foght im going to win and that he is actually having an affair with himself. I didnt want to see anyone, i must have come across as not right as so many people kept asking me what was wrong. How could i tell anyone. He made me promise not to say anything yet all his work colleagues in his new job knew before me (he'd only been there 8 weeks!!) , the woman who he'd spent 24 years of his life with and he had openly told me, and proud, he'd been into town fully dressed where noone would recognise him when i took my kids away for a few days leaving him at home alone. How could he? How could he not talk to me. I felt sick and cheated and didnt know what to do, didnt know what this means for me and my children and now my crummy little normal life had exploded into some weird out of body experience. I just cant believe this is happening. You wouldn't expect it if you saw him. The most manly man i know!

Long and short of it we talked for hours going round and round in circles, saying same old things, but he maintains he loves me and our kids and will never leave us. I dont believe him. I think hes staying with me/us out of normality and fear of losing us and family, friends etc. I even at one point took myself down the beach thinking i could end all this pain by walking into the sea but my best friend talked me out of it and then i thought what a horrid life my kids would have without me. I was broken... Lowest ive ever felt, but i pulled myself up and went home.

i applied for marriage counselling and he attended a few sessions, really against his will, but then he started getting angry at our lovely counsellor when she tried to ask more in depth questions as he felt he was being pushed into transitioning. She did no such thing.

He reckons he has felt that way since he was about 10 years old, got caught by his parents wearing his sisters clothes and his dad beat him up to try and knock some sense into him so he kept things buried and suppressed for all these years. This is so sad.

I told him i wont have him in our family home dressed up and that if he wants that life he has to go and we will divorce but keep amicable for the kids as id never atop gim seeing or having the kids. He wont go. No matter what i say he just wont leave.

We're now at a point where weve had to compromise because he wont wear stuff at work for fear someone i know might recognise him and tell me so doesnt want to upset me any further but asked to dress up in private in the bedroom. He started nicking some of my lingerie without asking me and has pinched a wig i had for fun dressing up then used one of my sex toys and i got to the point where id had enough as made me feel right sick so i decided to put all my stuff in a small suitcase with a lock on so he didnt touch my stuff. I hid the key up. Hes sh** with money and has bought quite a lot of sex toys recently and bits and tried to redeem himself by purchasing me a vibrator but every time i think about it i get angry so shoved it back in his face so hes sent it back as i never opened it. He only bought it for me to try to excuse all the stuff he is buying. Im worried hes going to get us in a financial pickle again as we are joint tenants on the mortgage and he wont sign it over to me or even entertain it.

We had a very healthy sex life 2-3 times a week before this happened and now its only every now and again ("very occasionally) but i just close my eyes and wish it was over [removed by MNHQ] Im not a lesbian and i sure as hell wont change my sexual orientation to fit his.

My best friend is actually trans and he says hes gone about it all the wrong way ans his behaviours are very odd to that of what he knows as a transwoman who is also married. He/she doesnt have children so the situation for them is very different.

I now dont know what to do. I'm miserable when he dresses as dont feel i havr a normal sex life (but this is the only time he gets to dress up) and he is miserable when he doesnt dress. I dont want to be on my own either. I dont know how i feel about him anymore either as dont feel hes the same person i met in 1997 and i dont feel the same but got too much at stake to lose at the moment.

He falls asleep all the time in the evenings so we dont spend much time together and he leaves me to do 90% the chores so im only getting 6hrs sleep max a night. To be honest id rather work a 10 hour day than have to be subjected to trans life, a life i didnt sign up for and one i dont want. On the other hand i dont want him to not be who he truly is as that would be incredibly selfish but i dont want that in my life.

I could go on and on about my situation but ive given a brief overview of what I'm goifn through.

If there are other people out there who are in or have been in same situation please contact me. I could use some decent friends who understand what I'm going through and give me some advice.

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Fimofriend · 12/06/2022 13:44

Leave him before he drains all of your savings and drains all of your energy.

SarahShorty · 12/06/2022 13:47

As PPs have said, end the marriage. You have my sympathies.

CloudPop · 12/06/2022 14:17

DisillusionedTech · 11/06/2022 17:23

‘The most manly man i know!’ works in IT

These phrases come up time and time again, this is not males finding their feminine side. Working in technology I encounter so so many and one common theme of the TW I’ve met is their determination to dominate and speak on behalf of women.

@DisillusionedTech You've hit the nail slap-bang on the head with your final sentence

CherryReid · 12/06/2022 15:11

I don't see that you have to out him, or even tell the DCs at this stage - and perhaps he'll change his mind in the future and stay a man but ...... meanwhile I would go down the route of 'we aren't getting along like we used to and have decided to go our separate says, causing as little upset as possible for the DCs, they will spend time with both of us'.

People divorce every day of the week, I can see how devastating it is for you, I can't see why you need to try to fix things with counselling etc, you can't fix His dilemma. Only he can.

Thelnebriati · 12/06/2022 15:18

''we aren't getting along like we used to'' the kind of guff that many of us are forced to say because outing your partner makes us abusive. It sounds so wishy washy when you say it.

If a friend says it to you, treat it like code. Say to her 'blink if you can't talk' and then please respect the fact she can't talk.

WallaceinAnderland · 12/06/2022 15:43

It's ok to walk away OP. Your children will find it harder living as you are now. They need lines drawn and so do you. So does he. This is no way to live as everyone is miserable.

See a solicitor, start separation/divorce proceedings. Make the distinction at home. You are no longer partners, you are two adults sharing a home. Make it a reality and make it clear that the process of separating has started and it will eventually come to it's natural conclusion.

socialworker222 · 13/06/2022 08:24

Iamnotamermaid · 11/06/2022 14:18

What I have gathered, reading between the lines, is that your husband does not want to engage in any form of counselling but neither does he want to split. I suspect this is because he wants to keep up the 'happy family' appearance for his parents whilst they are still around, and which is partly why he tried to keep his hidden identity from you all this time.

This could work in your favour. You separate, live separate lives, ideally separate bedrooms in the same house BUT you put together exit strategy which minimises the collateral damage to you and your DC. Sort of a 'conscious uncoupling' as Ms Paltrow would say.

In return for keeping up this charade of happy families for his parents you agree on the T&C of a quick (and cheap) 'no fault' divorce, including financial details so any debt racked up by him between now and then is his and his alone. Maybe even agree that some of his inheritance goes towards the house which is a joint asset. This gives you and your husband some time to work out what to tell the DC.

Might be worth thinking about as an option. You have a few out there.

Hi. Popping over from the Transwidows Escape Committee where your story is very familiar. Sorry to hear your predicament.
mermaid makes the point well that while you work out whether you want to go or stay, you can bide your time, set your ground rules and see if he sticks to them, while planning your exit if he doesn't. He sounds very likely, sadly, not to stick to any agreements (most of us find that these men assume we will stay and put up with the sexual, self-absorption and financial implications). So you could decide how you could live with this if that's better than being on your own while your kids are younger, and set some red lines. One might be that he doesn't dress up around you or for sex. It's a nightmare as you describe, and it doesn't sound as if you can stop him going down this road. You can only plan for what to do if this continues. Our thread is full of advice and similar stories as well as women in your situation working out how to stay and what it is like to plan to leave and come out the other side. We're there if you need us.

maddy68 · 13/06/2022 08:32

It doesn't sound to me that he is trans he just wants to wear women's clothes. Lots do it's a bit of a kink/fetish rather than wanting to be a woman

That doesn't mean he is having an affair with himself as you state.

Artichokeleaves · 13/06/2022 15:16

Exactly what he's doing and what's going on in his head is not relevant to this thread. He can go and find his own support network and make his own plans, and I'm sure is doing so.

The OP has shared that they are in a relationship in which they are unhappy and they want to leave. This is about supporting the OP. Encouraging her to just accept and tolerate a relationship she does not consent to, is unhappy in and wants out of, not to mention correcting her in her shared perceptions of it, is really a rather odd thing to do if you have any care or interest in the OP.

TinselAngel · 13/06/2022 20:47

maddy68 · 13/06/2022 08:32

It doesn't sound to me that he is trans he just wants to wear women's clothes. Lots do it's a bit of a kink/fetish rather than wanting to be a woman

That doesn't mean he is having an affair with himself as you state.

On the basis of what expertise do you say this?

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 13/06/2022 20:59

Musomama1 · 12/06/2022 08:19

Pp I am gathering that Trans means tranvestite as much as it means transsexual. It also covers anyone who has had medication/surgery but is still intact 'down there'. It also seems to cover anyone who just says they are Trans like Jamie Wallis MP who hasn't done a thing to their appearance and people like Alex Drummond who just have long hair.

I think even the Trans community are confused and dispute the umbrella.

A transactivist group called Press for Change worked hard on blurring the lines there by normalising the term ‘trans’ to mean transvestite, transgender, transsexual etc. I can’t remember the dates but long before Stonewall.

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 13/06/2022 21:02

TinselAngel’s here. Excellent.

socialworker222 · 14/06/2022 11:30

Hmm maddy I'm unconvinced that a man would take his fetish/kink to his work in this way. This sounds more than something sexual. Even were it 'just' that, OP needs to decide whether she wants to participate sexually in that and if not, to set agreed boundaries on her involvement.

MenopausalMe · 14/06/2022 12:59

socialworker222 · 14/06/2022 11:30

Hmm maddy I'm unconvinced that a man would take his fetish/kink to his work in this way. This sounds more than something sexual. Even were it 'just' that, OP needs to decide whether she wants to participate sexually in that and if not, to set agreed boundaries on her involvement.

Shock That statement you’re unconvinced they would take his fetish/kink to work seems naive

New female colleague was telling me about a previous colleague of hers who 100% took redacted pronoun here fetish to work, twanging redacted pronoun here suspenders in the office, wearing very revealing outfits, short skirts seating legs spread apart and more that I won’t specify as may be outing for anyone else who worked with that person§ (or may not if there were others with that kink boke]

Thelnebriati · 14/06/2022 13:48

Exactly, boundary breaking and causing shock in others is a fetish in it own right. Of course men act out their fetishes at work and in public.

Notmytiep · 14/06/2022 13:55

You don't have a marriage anymore OP. The sooner you accept this, the sooner you can heal.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around how you thought this could work.

Carlycat · 14/06/2022 14:33

You are now a Trans Widow. Check out this article. Men who trans in later life are more likely to be AGPs

quillette.com/2019/11/06/what-is-autogynephilia-an-interview-with-dr-ray-blanchard/

Carlycat · 14/06/2022 14:34

Aquamarine1029 · 10/06/2022 22:57

You don't need his agreement to get a divorce. Get a solicitor and get out.

This. Get out asap

maudesvagina · 14/06/2022 14:45

socialworker222 · 14/06/2022 11:30

Hmm maddy I'm unconvinced that a man would take his fetish/kink to his work in this way. This sounds more than something sexual. Even were it 'just' that, OP needs to decide whether she wants to participate sexually in that and if not, to set agreed boundaries on her involvement.

uncommongroundmedia.com/nspcc-employee-films-himself-masturbating-at-work/ what will it take to convince you? People like this?

BootsAndRoots · 14/06/2022 14:57

So just to get this right, the man in question commutes to work top to bottom in men's clothing, when he gets to the office, he is allowed to change his bottom attire to women's? So from the chest and above he is male, below the waist he is female?

If someone did this where I worked he would be seriously mocked, and probably wouldn't be allowed. Sounds like the Rocky Horror Picture Show.

Datun · 14/06/2022 15:41

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RinklyRomaine · 14/06/2022 18:38

Bit late to the thread OP sorry but there is some excellent advice here. It does matter what the issue is, it's not just a marriage breakdown, and you're absolutely entitled to your feelings about what he is doing. Sounds like every other AGP to me, and I'll bet you my dinner his previous problems with money have had plenty to do with all of this. I'll also bet you he hasn't been faithful. Get yourself std tested and check all your credit info.

Does he work in a bank? His colleagues may well be supportive but this is standard AGP stuff, making the women in his place of work participate whether they like to or not, and let's face it most are going to be too worried about being labelled bigoted to protest. Horrible.

TinselAngel · 14/06/2022 19:36

Social isn't denying that he may have a fetish, rather that as well as that, he might be developing a trans identity.

You really don't have to convince us trans widows about fetishes.

Carlycat · 15/06/2022 01:41

Part of the cross dressing perversion / fetish is forcing others to watch / engage in their fetish. It's non consensual and shouldn't be given an inch

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