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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Husband has come out as Trans after 24 years

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Technibabe59 · 10/06/2022 22:12

Hi. Ive been with my husband almost 25 years, married 18, and have two beautiful children. Everything had been absolutely fine up until September last year. His attitude changed overnight and his behaviour and i thought he was having an affair so at work i emailed him and asked him if he was cheating on me and i wanted to know whats going on. He didnt want to talk but i threatened divorce if he didnt to make him talk. Hes not a great communicator. All i got back was a photo of him sitting at his desk wearing top half mens uniform along with a woman skirt, tights and womens shoes. No explanation. What on earth was i supposed to say or think. I felt numb and sick and still do.

Well after a lot of tears, me arguing and shouting i shut down because i realised this isnt a foght im going to win and that he is actually having an affair with himself. I didnt want to see anyone, i must have come across as not right as so many people kept asking me what was wrong. How could i tell anyone. He made me promise not to say anything yet all his work colleagues in his new job knew before me (he'd only been there 8 weeks!!) , the woman who he'd spent 24 years of his life with and he had openly told me, and proud, he'd been into town fully dressed where noone would recognise him when i took my kids away for a few days leaving him at home alone. How could he? How could he not talk to me. I felt sick and cheated and didnt know what to do, didnt know what this means for me and my children and now my crummy little normal life had exploded into some weird out of body experience. I just cant believe this is happening. You wouldn't expect it if you saw him. The most manly man i know!

Long and short of it we talked for hours going round and round in circles, saying same old things, but he maintains he loves me and our kids and will never leave us. I dont believe him. I think hes staying with me/us out of normality and fear of losing us and family, friends etc. I even at one point took myself down the beach thinking i could end all this pain by walking into the sea but my best friend talked me out of it and then i thought what a horrid life my kids would have without me. I was broken... Lowest ive ever felt, but i pulled myself up and went home.

i applied for marriage counselling and he attended a few sessions, really against his will, but then he started getting angry at our lovely counsellor when she tried to ask more in depth questions as he felt he was being pushed into transitioning. She did no such thing.

He reckons he has felt that way since he was about 10 years old, got caught by his parents wearing his sisters clothes and his dad beat him up to try and knock some sense into him so he kept things buried and suppressed for all these years. This is so sad.

I told him i wont have him in our family home dressed up and that if he wants that life he has to go and we will divorce but keep amicable for the kids as id never atop gim seeing or having the kids. He wont go. No matter what i say he just wont leave.

We're now at a point where weve had to compromise because he wont wear stuff at work for fear someone i know might recognise him and tell me so doesnt want to upset me any further but asked to dress up in private in the bedroom. He started nicking some of my lingerie without asking me and has pinched a wig i had for fun dressing up then used one of my sex toys and i got to the point where id had enough as made me feel right sick so i decided to put all my stuff in a small suitcase with a lock on so he didnt touch my stuff. I hid the key up. Hes sh** with money and has bought quite a lot of sex toys recently and bits and tried to redeem himself by purchasing me a vibrator but every time i think about it i get angry so shoved it back in his face so hes sent it back as i never opened it. He only bought it for me to try to excuse all the stuff he is buying. Im worried hes going to get us in a financial pickle again as we are joint tenants on the mortgage and he wont sign it over to me or even entertain it.

We had a very healthy sex life 2-3 times a week before this happened and now its only every now and again ("very occasionally) but i just close my eyes and wish it was over [removed by MNHQ] Im not a lesbian and i sure as hell wont change my sexual orientation to fit his.

My best friend is actually trans and he says hes gone about it all the wrong way ans his behaviours are very odd to that of what he knows as a transwoman who is also married. He/she doesnt have children so the situation for them is very different.

I now dont know what to do. I'm miserable when he dresses as dont feel i havr a normal sex life (but this is the only time he gets to dress up) and he is miserable when he doesnt dress. I dont want to be on my own either. I dont know how i feel about him anymore either as dont feel hes the same person i met in 1997 and i dont feel the same but got too much at stake to lose at the moment.

He falls asleep all the time in the evenings so we dont spend much time together and he leaves me to do 90% the chores so im only getting 6hrs sleep max a night. To be honest id rather work a 10 hour day than have to be subjected to trans life, a life i didnt sign up for and one i dont want. On the other hand i dont want him to not be who he truly is as that would be incredibly selfish but i dont want that in my life.

I could go on and on about my situation but ive given a brief overview of what I'm goifn through.

If there are other people out there who are in or have been in same situation please contact me. I could use some decent friends who understand what I'm going through and give me some advice.

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334bu · 10/06/2022 22:25

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4236287-trans-widows-escape-committee-5-and-so-it-continues?page=1

I would suggest you post on this thread. You will find help there.

Technibabe59 · 10/06/2022 22:40

I tried but said the post has been closed amd suggested starting a new thread. :-)

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Ottersmith · 10/06/2022 22:42

Why won't you let him wear a skirt to work? Sounds like he's getting a similar reaction from you as he did from his father. If you don't want to live with him if he wears dresses then leave him. But you can't stop him really

Misstache · 10/06/2022 22:46

What are you getting from staying in the marriage? To be blunt, he’s not going to stop, he’s already stealing your underwear and violating your boundaries, and this will only escalate. Talk to a lawyer and protect your assets before he spends all your savings on clothes, surgeries, etc.

It’s hard and obviously this is awful and a huge shock, but the man you married is gone. You will only make yourself miserable waiting for him to change or believing he can follow boundaries. Get out now.

Circumferences · 10/06/2022 22:47

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teawamutu · 10/06/2022 22:52

Run.

Run far, run fast.

You are not the support human for a fantasy.

NonnyMouse1337 · 10/06/2022 22:54

Technibabe59 · 10/06/2022 22:40

I tried but said the post has been closed amd suggested starting a new thread. :-)

There are several similar threads, but this one is the latest and you should be able to post in it as there have only been about 500 replies on it.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4236287-trans-widows-escape-committee-5-and-so-it-continues?page=23&reply=117778362

There's also the website
www.transwidowsvoices.org/

Technibabe59 · 10/06/2022 22:54

I didnt say he couldnt wear it at work? He chose not to wear it all in the end, not me. Just for the record i wont leave the family home with 1 child out of 2 with special needs. If he wants to have a different lifeto what he has now he will have to go. He knows this. His choice. My solicitor has told me to sit tight and give nothing up should the time come.

He chose to lead me up the garden path and live a lie for nearly 25 years.

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Aquamarine1029 · 10/06/2022 22:57

You don't need his agreement to get a divorce. Get a solicitor and get out.

Technibabe59 · 10/06/2022 22:57

It goes far beyond a fetish im afraid. Its an obsession. Hes become a very self centred selfish person. Hes changed and not for the better. I just havent got the stamina to walk away from my marriage atm and part of me doesnt want to give up either as ive been with him 25 years out off 44 ive been alive. Its a lot to give up but its a no win awful situation.

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Iamnotamermaid · 10/06/2022 23:05

You are between a rock and a hard place. Maybe try and find others who have been in your position and see how they dealt with the situation you are in. Google for support groups near you or ask your friend who is trans whether they know of any.

www.transwidowsvoices.org/

But right now your marriage has changed for good. He has made his choice on how it will look, you need to decide on your next move.

Deadringer · 10/06/2022 23:06

He hasn't been honest with you, he takes your stuff, he is shit with money, he isn't interested in counselling and in fact got angry at the counsellor who is trying to help you both, he leaves you to do 90% of the chores he makes you feel suicidal, he sounds like an absolute arse, I would say ltb but you say he refuses to separate, I have no advice except to say put yourself and your dc first, you deserve better than this.

Datun · 10/06/2022 23:10

OP, can I urge you to post on this thread, link below. There have been five similar threads. All of them right here in the women's rights section, and all of them for women in just such a situation as you describe.

You will find a great deal of understanding, information and empathy there. (And it will absolutely accept your post.)

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4236287-trans-widows-escape-committee-5-and-so-it-continues?reply=117778362

SoManyQuestionsHere · 10/06/2022 23:13

Look, I get this - sort of - OP!

I used to be married to a man who was, no, not trans and also not a cross-dresser, but really: gay! With slight bi leanings, perhaps, at best, but: he's most definitely more into men than into women!

I ended my marriage over this. He swore to me that he fancied me (and: I genuinely believe he did somehow on some strange plane - it's messed up, but: yeah, so there!). He wasn't even dishonest or told me last (as has happened to you): he told me first. I still couldn't live with this situation! It's not the same thing but: I get how it can mess you up!

You should probably leave him, OP! I'm sorry, I know it hurts, but I also know - from experience, see above - that staying hurts even more!

Be kind to yourself! You didn't choose this! I know we tend to blame ourselves in terms of "how did I not see ...?". But: it's not on you! Nor is it even really on him if this is how he feels. It's just that this sort of a relationship is incompatible with mutual happiness. Or event with just being content! And therefore, you should probably leave him!

FWIW, my gay ex-husband and I are great friends, still. He has re-married (another woman) and he's quite open towards me about the men he sleeps with; it was the only major fight we've ever had: I told him "you can't do this to her, you can't marry her!" and he responded "I won't do anything to her, I'm sorry for how I hurt you with what I said, so I shall never tell her!". I can't get behind that - it's still a bone of contention between him and me, but: it's also not my place to tell her. I barely know her.

You can't change who people are. You absolutely can, and should, take yourself out of that particular equation!

DuckDuckNo · 10/06/2022 23:13

Do come to the trans widows thread, there are many of us there (sadly).

he'd been into town fully dressed where noone would recognise him when i took my kids away for a few days leaving him at home alone.

Your town, or somewhere else? My ex also did this, and for some reason he also thought nobody recognised him, but of course people did. He had this weird idea that a wig and different clothes would make him completely unrecognizable but eh...

I would recommend leaving sooner rather than later. The genie is out of the bottle, the selfishness you see now is unfortunately how it's going to be.

Calmdown14 · 10/06/2022 23:18

Okay, take the trans stuff out of this for a moment.

He's changed significantly, you aren't getting on, he's not respecting your boundaries and he is no longer acting in the financial interest of the family.

He needs to leave. You need to take legal advice on how to make this happen.
Realistically, the longer he stays the more damaged your relationship will become.
You need time to breathe. To work out how you feel. He owes it to you to give you that.

If he won't, it tells you everything to know about where your feelings rank

HollowTalk · 10/06/2022 23:26

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Borisblondboufant · 10/06/2022 23:26

Can you make an appointment to go see a solicitor? I’m afraid Pandora’s box has been opened and there is no going back.
you need to plan to leave with finances on your side (if he is bad with money). Protect yourself financially and emotionally. Then prepare to protect your children from this.

Wifwolf · 10/06/2022 23:45

Sadly, I believe many of the transwidows say that their (ex) husbands ended up spending huge amounts. If there’s a chance he’ll get you in debt, then getting yourself and the children out from financial entanglement has to be a priority. My understanding is that any debt he builds up will be shared on divorce. Sorry, OP. Sure it isn’t what you want to hear, but there are so many alarm bells in your post.

Technibabe59 · 10/06/2022 23:48

I have seen my Solicitor twice bur after the first time which was to redo my will she deliberately left it some months before going in again to give me time to figure out if things could work. I did go recently and said things were 'ok' and we're trying to make it work but realistically i know inwardly itll all end in tears. Its just all super really bad timing as my oldest child is due to finish high school in a year and my other one is due to start high school this September and dont want to rock the boat as they are both quite anxious as have picked up I'm not happy. They dont know thr teal reason though as too young to even understand.

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TheBiologyStupid · 10/06/2022 23:48

This all sounds a little odd: "so at work i emailed him and asked him if he was cheating on me and i wanted to know whats going on. He didnt want to talk but i threatened divorce if he didnt to make him talk. Hes not a great communicator." I have no advice to offer if your relationship is so distant that you don't discuss important things face to face despite your "two beautiful children".

I'm genuinely sorry to hear about what you both (all, given the importance of the children) are going through. However, I can't see how anything is going to be resolved if you can't find a way to discuss this in person like the adults that you are, though.

Iamnotamermaid · 10/06/2022 23:55

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PrawnofthePatriarchy · 10/06/2022 23:56

Women in your position call themselves transwidows because the man they married has gone forever. Your DH will never come back. The transwidows here will offer so much sympathy and support.

DuckDuckNo · 10/06/2022 23:59

This all sounds a little odd: "so at work i emailed him and asked him if he was cheating on me and i wanted to know whats going on. He didnt want to talk but i threatened divorce if he didnt to make him talk. Hes not a great communicator." I have no advice to offer if your relationship is so distant that you don't discuss important things face to face despite your "two beautiful children".

Perhaps stay quiet then if you have no advice to offer? The OP can hardly force her husband to talk.

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