LGB Alliance to plan helpline with Lottery funding

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Fantastic news.

I would link to their Twitter announcement, but in usual state of play, Twitter has marked it ' may not be appropriate for people under 18'. A helpline planned for 13 to 25 year olds, planned by a panel of experts in child protection, education, helpline delivery, fundraising and psychology.

Yep - shut them down (much better to have helplines planned by IT workers who took their child to Thailand...)

As LGB Alliance state there is no dedicated national service of its kind for young LGB people in the UK.

I'm sure the Lottery Fund will be getting a lot of feedback right now, given the outpouring of hyperbole against LGB Alliance right now on Twitter.

So they may appreciate feedback from those who may see this as a positive move too:

""We really value your feedback. If you have a comment or complaint about the services that we provide, or if there's something important you think we should know, we'd love to hear it. Please email us at [email protected]"

The two gay men I know would not be keen on the vagina

I mean that's kind of the point for them as lovely as they may initially find that transman the lack of a Penis would put them right off

Sorry should clarify. I know more than two gay men, it's just the subject of a penis doesn't come up with the others 😀

That is not the case. Plenty of lesbians have sex with trans women and do not consider themselves bi. Ditto for gay men.

They can consider themselves what they like, it still won't be true. Words mean things. Lesbians are women who are exclusively same-sex attracted. Women who are attracted to males of any type as well as women are not lesbian. If they describe themselves as lesbian then they are co-opting a marginalised identity that is not theirs to steal.

Words mean things.

I'm sure many men would find them attractive. However if they're ok with having sex with someone with a vagina then no, they are by definition not gay men. They are not homosexual.

The clue is in the 'sex' bit of the word 'homosexual'.

And I'll point out the step by step approach:

1. don't be meanies about labels, be kind and let people call themselves what they like

2. it's fine for gay people to extend their sex relationships to T people if they want to

3. it's mean for homosexual people to recognise and date/want sex based on biological sex

4. being homosexual is like being racist and they have no place in the LGBT community, and they should never be allowed to organise independently or to want words of their own that have the set sex based meaning, or to be allowed to have a political voice of their own

I was with you through 1 and 2. 3 and 4 is what made me realise 'be kind' is a really stupid, doormatty thing to do. So it's no to all of them.

You could have fooled me! 😂

Nope you are wrong. Lesbians who date trans women who are trans are still lesbians. Gay men who date trans men are still gay😀

Oh and step 5) 'homosexual' now means 'politically TQ+ compliant people of any sexuality, has no meaning at all, has completely fucked over homosexual people's rights in law and is now seeking to prevent them being recognised or allowed to organise at all unless TQ+ compliant. And if you won't chant what we tell you to say, then you're not allowed to be LGBT.

And there's no one LGBT who doesn't agree with us in our lovely community! (Because we forced out all the ones who refused to submit, and they don't exist, they don't, shutupshutupshutup random smiley emojis)

Well to be fair the subject of vagina only comes up with a few of my friends...😀

Lesbians who date trans women who are trans are still lesbians. Gay men who date trans men are still gay

They are really not. No matter how many times you say it, you still can't make it true.

Might be the heat but you’ve got some typos there.

lesbians who date transmen are still lesbians. Gay men who date transwomen are still gay. FTFY. HTH. X

If that were the case I wonder why this young couple (one of whom is a trans man) had homophobic abuse yelled at them?

twitter.com/bernietranders/status/1242621246757634050

If they were really a straight couple, why did someone yell 'faggots' at them?

Incorrect tweet - this one!

twitter.com/BernieTranders/status/1518331206559019009

People occasionally yell misogynistic abuse at TW, going on surface appearance.

It's not about surface appearance or identity. It is about biological sex. When you commandeer and blend and distort the meaning of words you trash the protections and identities of those you are stealing them from.

Find other words of your own. Leave other people alone.

Nope. A lesbian isn't a man who likes other men who want to be women.

Leave lesbians and women alone. We are not your resource.

Er, @Hearach15 , that's online. I hate to break it to you, but the way that people present themselves on online dating platforms often bears little resemblance to reality.

Nope you are wrong. Lesbians who date trans women who are trans are still lesbians. Gay men who date trans men are still gay😀

This is a homophobic , denial of the existence of same sex attracted people. You should be ashamed of yourself.

I'm bisexual, so what does this mean in this brave new world? I'd always taken it to mean I was attracted to males and females, but does it now mean I'm attracted to 'genders'? Sadly, it doesn't surprise me to hear such insistence that a woman who dates a transwoman must be a lesbian. There's still a lot animosity and hatred towards bi people, and many are desperate to be either gay or straight.

I also linked a second tweet: "Homophobic abuse twice in the last two weeks on the street".

Why would people yell homophobic abuse at a couple if they were not gays?

Indeed they do. And that is because women who are trans are women.

I am very much not ashamed of myself 😀

they can’t be women. No one knows what a woman is so how can transwomen be women? You seem very invested in trying to convince us that biological sex is not real therefore homosexuality is not real. I think you are extremely homophobic and you should be ashamed of yourself. You’re just like those blokes in the pub telling lesbians “ you just haven’t found the right dick yet”. Or “ I’m a lesbian, I’m just trapped in a mans body”. If you can’t see the similarity between that and the things you are saying all I can say is your parents must be very ashamed of you. It is disgusting, vile homophobic abuse. N

"If they were not gays".... hmm. Interesting turn of phrase.

Abuse can be hurled by idiots for various reasons that they may be mistaken about. Those hurling abuse are going on their initial perception obviously. You're surely not trying to suggest that whether or not someone is gay depends on the perception of abusive strangers?

@Artichokeleaves "The massive majority of us are going to roll our eyes and go right on being attracted to who we want and not giving a fuck, because frankly its insane."

At last someone is starting to get it!. No-one5 is being prevented from being attracted to whoever they want, no-one is being forced to be attracted to anyone they don't want, everyone can just carry on living their own lives as they choose, no-one is being 'erased', so what on earth are you all getting so worked up about?

no-one is being 'erased',

I don't think you understand what that word means. Your attempts to edit the language so that some groups (lesbians, gay men, women) no longer have the words to describe themselves constitute erasure.

Lesbians (original edition, homosexual females) need a word to describe themselves, and women (original edition, adult human females) need a word to describe ourselves.

But then again, perhaps "erase" is another of the words that you've conveniently redefined to suit yourself.

Now I'm wondering if there's any point in talking to you if none of your words mean anything. There isn't really, is there? You seem to have a fixed set of responses that are generated by keywords.

"So your position is:
Trans people believe that certain types of soul/psyches etc are (largely) only ever found in male bodies, and other types are found in female bodies"

No that is not my position, it's not what I've said, it's what you keep saying. Although before you kept on about certain types of soul etc not matching with certain types of body, you've now changed it again to certain types of soul "only ever found in male bodies, and other types are found in female bodies"
As I've said before, I don't understand your question, it makes no sense, however you ask it.
What are these "certain types of soul/psyches etc" you keep on about? Every soul/psyche is unique, it's what makes us different from each other.
You're continually twisting and changing what I said, which is really very simple when you stop trying to complicate it:
A trans person, male or female, does not feel 'comfortable' with the body they have, they feel it is very wrong, they feel they are in "the wrong body", an alien, so they transition to look/feel more like 'themselves'. Nothing to do with "soul types". And that's not being contradictory, it's what I've said from the start.