LGB Alliance to plan helpline with Lottery funding

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Fantastic news.

I would link to their Twitter announcement, but in usual state of play, Twitter has marked it ' may not be appropriate for people under 18'. A helpline planned for 13 to 25 year olds, planned by a panel of experts in child protection, education, helpline delivery, fundraising and psychology.

Yep - shut them down (much better to have helplines planned by IT workers who took their child to Thailand...)

As LGB Alliance state there is no dedicated national service of its kind for young LGB people in the UK.

I'm sure the Lottery Fund will be getting a lot of feedback right now, given the outpouring of hyperbole against LGB Alliance right now on Twitter.

So they may appreciate feedback from those who may see this as a positive move too:

""We really value your feedback. If you have a comment or complaint about the services that we provide, or if there's something important you think we should know, we'd love to hear it. Please email us at [email protected]"

If someone turned up at pride with the tshirt of a homophobic group they would be booed. Likewise it is reasonable to do the same with a transphobic group like the LGB Alliance. Pride is for all LGBT people. Erm... except the LGB ones??

On mumsnet? Many times? It's not that long ago that posters on here were only allowed to post six images a day.

I think you have mumsnet confused with reddit or with twitter.

So, you are not going to go to the original source, look at the full context of that tweet and then discuss it when it is applied then to a 4 year old, not a teen?

Good to know.

It's not competition. This is like having a Rolls Royce and someone offering to sell you a car that has failed its MOT test, three flat tyres and no roof. That's what the LGB Alliance is offering us here.

When the LGB Alliance get off their arse and do something useful like helping LGBT people get out of a dangerous country like Afghanistan get back to me.

So, you can discount the things they have not achieved recently for LGB people as one of the largest charities / educators about LGB people for decades, because of their work in 'Afghanistan'?

Again... good to know.

Whether you're 4 or 14, no trans person is like a vegan cat and the LGB Alliance are a group of idiots run for idiots.

Stonewall was at the forefront of the campaigns to repeal Section 28, the ban on LGBT serving in HM Armed Forces and the legalisation of gay marriage.

Surprised that someone who seems to think themselves such an expert on LGBT matters didn't know that.

Except the transphobic ones, yes!

If there was a homophobic trans person at pride they too would not be welcome.

Whether you're 4 or 14, no trans person is like a vegan cat and the LGB Alliance are a group of idiots run for idiots.

So, still not posting anything relating the original source, just John Nicolson's very prejudiced interpretation and you continue to rely on an emotional reaction without engaging with the substance of the tweet.

Stonewall was at the forefront of the campaigns to repeal Section 28, the ban on LGBT serving in HM Armed Forces and the legalisation of gay marriage.

Right.... so you are relying on historical events before they switched their attention to 'T'?

And can you tell me whether the co-founders of LGB Alliance were or were not still heavily involved in those actions being part of Stonewall.

Great 'gotcha'.

Surprised that someone who seems to think themselves such an expert on LGBT matters didn't know that.

I am not an expert on LGBT matters, and I never have. I am responding to the paucity of logic to any of the arguments that you have posted.

When the LGB Alliance get off their arse and do something useful like helping LGBT people get out of a dangerous country like Afghanistan get back to me

Did you read the title of this thread, by any chance?

Do you believe trans people are like "vegan cats"?

Stonewall was at the forefront of the campaigns to repeal Section 28, the ban on LGBT serving in HM Armed Forces and the legalisation of gay marriage.

It was. And most of the founders of LGBA were involved back then.

But then Stonewall needed a new cash cow & chucked LGB rights under the bus in the process.

You wrote, "you can discount the things they have not achieved recently for LGB people as one of the largest charities / educators about LGB people for decades".

I mentioned three achievements from the past two decades - which you've now rejected as immaterial because they are "historic". Well they are not that historic because most LGBT people remember a time before marriage equality. Thank you Stonewall for everything you've done for us!

"I am not an expert on LGBT matters, and I never have."

Very true! I would go away and educate yourself before commenting on matters you clearly have very little expertise on. Take yourself down to a gay bar and chat with a few of the locals. They will be more than happy to educate you! You will quickly find how harmonious relations are between all the different sections of the rainbow family - no matter how much the LGB Alliance may wish otherwise. 😀

Do you believe trans people are like "vegan cats"?

That simile is used regarding “trans children” because they aren’t making the decisions themselves. It’s stating the obvious.

Do you believe that a one year old girl removing her barrette is signalling she’s trans? Or could that interpretation just possibly be a projection from the adults in her life?

I would be very surprised if this switchboard ever happens.

Firstly, there already is one (they seem to be unaware of this in their post).

Secondly, they have very few volunteers and most of them are motivated more about having a go at trans people than actually helping gay people.

Thirdly, young people are very trans inclusive, so the phones will not exactly be ringing off the hook.

This is just a mechanism for them to real in some £££. It'll go the same way as their Jubilee film i.e. in the bin.

One year old can't talk but I do believe trans people when many write that they knew they were trans at a very early age.

If the LGB Alliance do not know this, they do not know much about trans people and should stop commenting on a matter they are clearly ignorant about:

www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/01/young-trans-children-know-who-they-are/580366/

80% desistance rate ...

This is just a mechanism for them to real in some £££. It'll go the same way as their Jubilee film i.e. in the bin.

You know quite well why the Jubilee film didn’t happen. Are you saying you disapprove of the behaviour of the transactivists who complained?

You can’t simultaneously condemn LGB Alliance for not doing anything and then endorse the people who sabotage their projects.

Umm...Pride is for all LGBT people. Except these ones over here, they're not welcome.

Umm...what?

Stonewall was at the forefront of the campaigns to repeal Section 28, the ban on LGBT serving in HM Armed Forces and the legalisation of gay marriage.

Stonewall didn't always support gay marriage.
web.archive.org/web/20211104150235/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/stonewall-is-split-by-row-about-samesex-marriages-2095468.html

Interesting snapshot here, including an 'attack' re Stonewall's website saying they are for LGB people. www.libdemvoice.org/stonewall-gay-marriage-21378.html

Easy for history to get re-written, isn't it?

You will quickly find how harmonious relations are between all the different sections of the rainbow family - no matter how much the LGB Alliance may wish otherwise. 😀

Oh I missed this bit! So relations are harmonious, and LGBA want them not to be? So they're harmonious, except for with these LG or B people. So not harmonious then?

Umm.....what?

You wrote, "you can discount the things they have not achieved recently for LGB people as one of the largest charities / educators about LGB people for decades".

I mentioned three achievements from the past two decades - which you've now rejected as immaterial because they are "historic". Well they are not that historic because most LGBT people remember a time before marriage equality. Thank you Stonewall for everything you've done for us!

Yes, what have they achieved just for LGB people in the past few years.

And you mentioned three major events.

2000 - Armed forces accept LGBT people
2003 - Section 28 repealed
2014 - same sex marriage.

Can you now provide the evidence that members:

Allison Bailey
Kate Harris
Simon Fanshawe
Malcolm Clark
and Bev Jackson

Were not part of Stonewall's team or their affiliates fighting for each of these?

Wouldn't it be a crazy thing that you posted those three events and those founders were part of the teams that delivered them?

"I am not an expert on LGBT matters, and I never have been."

Very true! I would go away and educate yourself before commenting on matters you clearly have very little expertise on. Take yourself down to a gay bar and chat with a few of the locals. They will be more than happy to educate you! You will quickly find how harmonious relations are between all the different sections of the rainbow family - no matter how much the LGB Alliance may wish otherwise.

As I said, I am pointing out the logical fails in your arguments. Because all I can see is the extreme prejudice that you are posting. By the way, I too have some very close family members and friends who are LGB and they do 'educate' me constantly.

I am also very aware of how that 'harmonious relations' you declare is quite a lie if I listen to my lesbian friends in different countries who tell me the same thing. It has not been 'harmonious' for decades, if ever. If you have not experienced it, that is great. But I know that it is not the universal experience you are trying to convince people of.

And I am very happy to be 'educated' by you, too. Except that you keep posting things that incredibly prejudiced and seem to lack any evidence. In essence, not one post across different threads is credible and supported by evidence.

So, again... those 'gotcha' statements you keep posting are really not what you think.

All you are showing is your own extreme prejudices that you cannot deny.

Do you believe trans people are like "vegan cats"?

Remarkable isn't it?

Again you seek to misrepresent what has been said. And you don't seem to understand the significance of that misrepresentation.....

Hence why I asked you to go back to the actual tweet thread and discuss it in proper context.

Why are you so reluctant to do so?

Didn’t stonewall get a conference cancelled that would have helped LGB people all over the world when they threw their teddy out of the pram? Where was stonewall’s concern for LGB people then? There were people coming from countries where even the suspicion of being L or G will get you killed. Those people were let down because Stonewall prioritised the T. Maybe we do need an organisation just for LGB as stonewall cannot seem to handle dealing with both groups needs