LGB Alliance to plan helpline with Lottery funding

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Fantastic news.

I would link to their Twitter announcement, but in usual state of play, Twitter has marked it ' may not be appropriate for people under 18'. A helpline planned for 13 to 25 year olds, planned by a panel of experts in child protection, education, helpline delivery, fundraising and psychology.

Yep - shut them down (much better to have helplines planned by IT workers who took their child to Thailand...)

As LGB Alliance state there is no dedicated national service of its kind for young LGB people in the UK.

I'm sure the Lottery Fund will be getting a lot of feedback right now, given the outpouring of hyperbole against LGB Alliance right now on Twitter.

So they may appreciate feedback from those who may see this as a positive move too:

""We really value your feedback. If you have a comment or complaint about the services that we provide, or if there's something important you think we should know, we'd love to hear it. Please email us at [email protected]"

It was the Wojack crying behind a smiley mask meme.

The only “explanation” I’ve ever heard is just that “it’s different”, but of course that’s no explanation at all.

Given that splitting people up into distinct races is pretty arbitrary (we could make the split along all kinds of different lines if we wanted) whereas sex differences are anything but, trans-racial seems far more reasonable than trans-sexual.

Trans-national is another one. Rather than needing a visa to work in the US why can’t I identify as a US citizen?

The refusal of TRAs to engage with these questions is telling. They know that there’s no rational reason to say that an innate gender identity is real but an innate racial identity isn’t, so they have to ignore or deflect.

Maybe I should find another minion meme for citrusbaby?

They seem to like memes and maybe that will cheer them up so they are in a better mood to post.

Thank you Traxes. That is really nasty.

By the way Starlee, that surgery that you posted even tells you that at least 25% of those questioned 'knew' someone who was trans.

I would posit that the number will be much higher with anyone with teenaged children. And you DO realise don't you, that you are posting on Mumsnet? And the likelihood of posters on this very thread to have teens who have trans identities or who have other family members or friends who have teens with trans identities is very very high.

But please do continue with your very ignorant assertion that posters on this thread do not know and love trans people.

It obviously allows you to discount any view that doesn't exactly match yours.

I don't know which post you're referring to so can't check what I said. But It's not for parents to "choose" for their kids to be trans, being trans or not is not a choice that anyone has, same as being straight / cis is not a choice, it's just how you are.
As the mother of a trans daughter I say that given a choice parents would most likely choose a life for their kids that wouldn't involve medications, surgeries, problems with transphobia etc, life is much easier for those who don't have those issue to cope with and there's nothing wrong with wishing for an easier life for your kids.
But if you have a trans child you have to accept that they have a right to live their own lives, and when they're adult only they can make the choice whether to have surgery or not, some don't want or can't have that surgery for whatever reasons. Our job as parents is to support them, and if you can't support your kids to be who they are or for doing something that is perfectly legal then you shouldn't be having kids in the first place - if you expect your kids to be clones of yourself you're likely to be very disappointed!

It's not a nasty meme, I've seen it on Mumsnet many times. It's basically the pictorial equivalent of "The lady doth protest too much, methinks"

Supporting trans people is not homophobic. Mermaid's have never denied the existence / rights of lgb people. They have evolved from being a small group of trans kids' parents to a larger organisation supporting all LGBTQ+ people. Same as Stonewall have evolved from being LGB to being LGBTQ+. It's all good, all more help for the people who need it.
In contrast, the LGBA was set up with the sole purpose of opposing gender identity, it is the stated reason for their existence, as in their mission statement, they are based on discrimination and hatred of another minority, protected group of vulnerable people.
Supporting them is supporting the opposition and discrimination of trans people.

it is the stated reason for their existence, as in their mission statement

Have we pivoted now from "The LGBA was actually set up to oppose Stonewall, and they do admit that in their opening mission statement."? to being a less specific "the LGBA was set up with the sole purpose of opposing gender identity"

"Supporting them is supporting the opposition and discrimination of trans people."

Maybe you could post a link to support your claim that LGB Alliance is supporting the 'opposition' of trans people.

And yes, they are actually allow to provide a service just for LGB Alliance and not specifically to support 'trans people' being trans. That is a 'discrimination' that is allowed in law exactly for this purpose.

Discrimination by itself is not the evil word you are portraying it to be.

I would yes, although you'd probably say they were gay.
What about trans men? Hardly ever e mention of them on here.
A trans man attracted to a man I would call gay, you would probably call them lesbian.
Depends which side of the argument you're on, but they're still homosexual.
It's just a shame that people are more concerned about labels than they are for the people themselves.

A trans man attracted to a man I would call gay, you would probably call them lesbian.

They'd be straight.... Bio females attracted to bio males are straight.

"What about trans men? Hardly ever e mention of them on here".

Why do you think that is? What could the difference between transmen and transwomen be?
Surely if we were all transphobic bigots, transmen would be mentioned just as much a transwomen?

Ok, so starlee confirms that heterosexual people can be gay, so there's no issue with heterosexual people supporting the LGBAlliance, as someone posted upthread.

Oh dear... Survey. Not 'surgery'.

Here is the link to the report.

www.moreincommon.org.uk/media/giljcopo/britons-and-gender-identity-navigating-common-ground-and-division-june-2022.pdf

Also. The author, and ex Stonewall employee said:

Luke Tryl, the report author who worked as head of education at the lobby group Stonewall, said: “From the toxic debate across social media you’d assume the country is split into trans activists and transphobes. But when you speak to ordinary people across the country you realise that nothing could be further from the truth. Instead, most Britons take a nuanced, compassionate approach that is rooted in society doing what it can to make trans people feel accepted but which also balances inclusion with fairness.” Others could learn from ordinary Britons, he added.

The interesting part is this: 'Instead, most Britons take a nuanced, compassionate approach that is rooted in society doing what it can to make trans people feel accepted but which also balances inclusion with fairness.'

'balances' is the key word here.

There is nothing balanced about the posts here where people are simply emoting and declaring that a group is a 'hate group' or unworthy of consideration by someone with a very clear and large prejudice.

LGB Alliance can by law provide a service that is focused on the LGB people were attracted to the same 'sex' as a LG or B person. That is regardless of the person's gender orientation. ie. if a trans person is same sex attracted or bisexual they are supported as much as any other person.

Posters are railing against the morality of providing that service based on their own sense of righteousness. But without any empathy for any person who would be a LGB young person who wanted to use this service and the current services that also cater for a wider target.

But yes. The survey also states that 25% of those questioned 'knew' someone who was trans.

You think people on here believe that someone attracted to a man is a lesbian?

Do you even know what you are trying to say at this point? How can a woman, acting as a man, but attracted to an actual, real man, be a lesbian?

Why would we think a man attracted to a woman was gay? They are heterosexual.

Oh god. what a day. 'gender identity' NOT gender orientation.

As several other posters have just said, I’d think that since a transwoman’s sex is male, if they were attracted to females that would make them heterosexual.

As for Mermaids supporting LGB people, does this mean that they disagree with Stonewall’s comments on ‘sexual racism’ and the cotton ceiling?

You think people on here believe that someone attracted to a man is a lesbian?

Good God. I missed that. This thread is fourteen pages long. It was first explicitly mentioned on page 5 that Starlee is using terms like “gay” and “lesbian” differently from almost all the other posters.

Even after being told this, they have continued arguing vociferously for nine pages without even bothering to understand what is meant by the letters “LGB” in “LGB Alliance”

And providing a live demonstration of exactly why the LGB Alliance is needed.

If someone turned up at pride with the tshirt of a homophobic group they would be booed. Likewise it is reasonable to do the same with a transphobic group like the LGB Alliance. Pride is for all LGBT people.

And before you ask, yes a racist or sexist group should be booed too. Pride is the wrong place to display prejudice.

And yes, they are actually allow to provide a service just for LGB Alliance and not specifically to support 'trans people' being trans. That is a 'discrimination' that is allowed in law exactly for this purpose.

Oh no..

And yes, they are actually allow to provide a service just for LGB people and not specifically to support 'trans people' being trans. That is a 'discrimination' that is allowed in law exactly for this purpose.

The LGB Alliance said being young and trans is like being a "vegan cat".

Personally, I think being transgender is normal and think society should do more to celebrate these wonderful people.

When the LGB Alliance get off their arse and do something useful like helping LGBT people get out of a dangerous country like Afghanistan get back to me.

In the meantime I will continue to applaud the great work to promote our community in the face of homophobia and transphobia.

If someone turned up at pride with the tshirt of a homophobic group they would be booed. Likewise it is reasonable to do the same with a transphobic group like the LGB Alliance. Pride is for all LGBT people.

yes. ALL LGBT people. Not just for those who believe in the exact same thing as you. Please point out to what YOU consider 'transphobic'. Exact examples, please.

Again... do you not understand this is not the 'gotcha' that you believe it is? You have doubled down on it. It really does show how intolerant you are.

And before you ask, yes a racist or sexist group should be booed too. Pride is the wrong place to display prejudice.

And yet... you have shown exactly how prejudiced the crowd at Pride really is.

Well done.