LGB Alliance to plan helpline with Lottery funding

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Fantastic news.

I would link to their Twitter announcement, but in usual state of play, Twitter has marked it ' may not be appropriate for people under 18'. A helpline planned for 13 to 25 year olds, planned by a panel of experts in child protection, education, helpline delivery, fundraising and psychology.

Yep - shut them down (much better to have helplines planned by IT workers who took their child to Thailand...)

As LGB Alliance state there is no dedicated national service of its kind for young LGB people in the UK.

I'm sure the Lottery Fund will be getting a lot of feedback right now, given the outpouring of hyperbole against LGB Alliance right now on Twitter.

So they may appreciate feedback from those who may see this as a positive move too:

""We really value your feedback. If you have a comment or complaint about the services that we provide, or if there's something important you think we should know, we'd love to hear it. Please email us at [email protected]"

When someone turns up at Pride wearing an LGB Alliance they get booed.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/08/29/lgb-alliance-manchester-pride-protest/

They are completely outside the mainstream of the community because the vast majority of gays, lesbians and bisexuals support trans rights. Whoever is attending their conference is on the fringe of the community.

Stonewall on the other hand are applauded because they do proper work - like getting LGBT people out of Afghanistan:

www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-government-helps-lgbt-afghans-start-new-life-in-britain

No wonder so many bigots hate them. They actually deliver for the LGBT community.

Yes I do believe some people are born in the wrong body. But that's not the same as telling children their body is wrong - their mind/soul/psyche, whatever you call the essence that makes them 'them' is right, their bodies are right, they just don't match up with each other.
I personally know trans people who describe it like that, it's the best way they know to try and describe it to people who don't understand, although I don't think anyone who isn't trans can truly understand it. But we can accept that people know themselves (far better than we do!), and it's not for us to tell them who/what they are.
I have seen the incredible difference when a trans person finally comes out, often after many years of shutting themselves away from the world, even from family, and when you see it for yourself you have no doubt that they are doing the right thing. Very similar to LGB people who may have closeted their true selves for years. The freedom to finally be themselves is not something we have any right to try and stop.
But don't take my word for it, ask trans people themselves, really listen to them, not the myths and lies spread by the anti-trans ideologists.

When someone turns up at Pride wearing an LGB Alliance they get booed.

Yep (assuming you missed out a word there). TRAs threaten violence against LGB people. That's supposed to convince me there shouldn't be a charity for LGB people? I struggle to understand that logic.

As always.

How do you prove lgb exists?

You know that you can study people's arousal response don't you? This isn't a new concept?

So how do you prove GI exists?

And we are back. What is the definition, a coherent or stable definition, for Gender?

why not try talking TO them and hearing the truth? Or are you all fantasising about them too?

This seems to be back to the 'blaming' cognitive distortion. We are again being supposedly vilified and to being wholly good or bad, rather than a poster engaging with the substance of our points.

Starlee, many people on this thread know and love trans people. Only you and some other posters are trying to make this into a polarised discussion to push your agenda to discredit and demonise LGB Alliance.

You wish to cause harm to LGB Alliance for your own deeply prejudiced reasons. None of which you have supported with anything but unconvincing emotional reasoning.

Your completely blinkered view and prejudice about other posters on this board is repetitive. However, we will keep pointing out the deficits of your posts because the reality is, the more readers see your weak points rejected by showing your lack of logic and evidence, the more readers will understand just which posters completely lack credibility.

We are our bodies. There is no “me” other than my body, so it doesn’t make any sense to say someone is in the wrong one.

You seem to be positing a non-corporeal aspect to a person, analogous to a soul, something other than a person’s physical self, which also has a sex which may or may not accord with the person’s actual sex.

This is of course completely unevidenced, and highly implausible.

Booing isn't violence. It's free speech.

Much like when the LGB Alliance said trans people were like "vegan cats":

twitter.com/MrJohnNicolson/status/1535349212753317888?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

They are so silly 😂😂😂

Yes I do believe some people are born in the wrong body. But that's not the same as telling children their body is wrong - their mind/soul/psyche, whatever you call the essence that makes them 'them' is right, their bodies are right, they just don't match up with each other.

So you acknowledge that to believe that, you have to have a belief in a soul and some greater being that has 'intended' bodies for those souls to go in?

More importantly, what do you mean by 'match'? Can you be specific - which kinds of souls 'match' which kinds of bodies?

Every other person I've asked who insists there are souls that match bodies cannot answer this.

(Btw, it looks like you are assuming I am not trans. I've been questioning whether I fit some kind of trans definition for some time, and I'm beginning to find it quite hurtful when people say 'ask a trans person' but then refuse to answer honestly themselves, or even say what they mean by 'trans person').

But I know, quite possibly like your DC, that I would identify as able-bodied if it was at all possible. Sadly sometimes, again like your DC, it just isn't possible, but that doesn't stop me supporting disabled people who can have treatment / surgery etc that could help.

Very concerning that the LGB Alliance seem to think this is something the community doesn't already have - that said it is unsurprising as there are large gaps in their knowledge of the community.

Why are you so scared of competition? Surely the more support services the better?

And if it is a specific group that is being supported, to the exclusion of another group which has already got support, so what?

I predict this is a project that will not get off the ground. They won't have the volunteers or get many calls because most LGBT people who know of them want nothing to do with them.

Ok. So if you have shut down an extra level of support for LGB youth, do you feel very proud of yourself? Because that LGB support did not believe in exactly the right groupthink that you do?

Do you understand the complete lack of tolerance you show towards others who simply do not believe in the entrenched viewpoint that you hold? And that you are doing this in the name of tolerance? Do you see the hypocrisy there?

You avoided the question there.

Why can you be trans gender but not trans racial? Why should we accept a male’s statement that he is a woman but not accept Rachel Dolezal’s statement that she is black?

How is she any less black than Chris Rock? It seems a completely unjustified double-standard being used.

Not even Mermaids believes in wrong body. It's so old fashioned.

And starlee just to clarify - you think that people who are "born in the wrong body" don't have anything wrong with their body? Or that they do? It's not clear, as you were talking about advocating surgery for them.

When someone turns up at Pride wearing an LGB Alliance they get booed.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/08/29/lgb-alliance-manchester-pride-protest/

They are completely outside the mainstream of the community because the vast majority of gays, lesbians and bisexuals support trans rights. Whoever is attending their conference is on the fringe of the community.

Sorry for the meme post again. I just cannot resist.

You do understand that your statement supports that some activists (thankfully we know not all because there are some trans people who are very tolerant) are completely intolerant of others?

You do understand that your statement is showing those activists, maybe even you, to be completely incapable of accepting an alternative view point?

please do crack on. MrsO was spot on. This does keep this thread bumped and we are getting more and more people posting because of it.

But don't take my word for it, ask trans people themselves, really listen to them, not the myths and lies spread by the anti-trans ideologists.

Have you come back to denouncing some trans people as 'anti-trans' then?

Maybe you could go back and answer my questions to you. I asked who you were starlee to be appointed as a spokesperson for ALL trans people? Who else in the world has been appointed as a spokesperson for ALL trans people and how did you come to the authority to declare who is worthy of being called trans and who is not?

Stonewall on the other hand are applauded because they do proper work

And yet... organisations are pulling their support of Stonewall... Because their 'proper' work is deemed as being not supported by the actual law, just what they want it to be. And their CEO and staff have a habit of making offensive statements. I am very happy to post links to what Nancy Kelley has said, what Kirin Medcalf has said, and even the incredibly harmful aspects of things that Peter Tatchell has written.

Happy to go and find those links, they are stashed through different MN threads as it has been long discussed.

"proper work" ... like coming out and making a statement that people within the trans community (if there even is a community) need to stop ignoring the abuse and threats to lesbians when they reject males as sexual partners.... that 'proper work'? yeah... have not seen it.

No wonder an alternative for LGB people is needed.

Mermaids don't give a flying fuck about LGB kids. But most of us here know that.

This sort of childish name-calling is pathetic, but seems to be all that TRAs actually have.

When someone turns up at Pride wearing an LGB Alliance they get booed.

And that is good why?

Stonewall on the other hand are applauded because they do proper work - like getting LGBT people out of Afghanistan:

And appearing on Al Jazeera which is backed by the same as those backing the Taliban.

Well fuck!!!

John Nicolson??

I am not surprised.

Could you please articulate what the LGB Alliance was referring to in that tweet?

And can you tell us clearly why this analogy is incorrect in the case of a vulnerable child of 4?

Forget Nicolson's twist to use it for teenagers, tell us about that actual tweet thread by LGB Alliance.

And the entire thread, not just a cherry picked image as Nicolson has.

Wow. That was a very quick deletion from citrusbaby. Maybe you could reword it so that we can see you articulately rebut the posts you disagree with.

Why can you be trans gender but not trans racial?

or trans age.

That one was actually rejected in court. But why is it less valid?

Stonewall on the other hand are applauded because they do proper work

Like teaching same sex attraction is bad, akin to racism and must be overcome. And teaching men how to coerce lesbians into having sex with them? That sort of proper work?

Agreed

Very nasty

Stonewall is subjected to constant, horrendous abuse from the LGBA, why should they defend that? The LGBA was actually set up to oppose Stonewall, and they do admit that in their opening mission statement.

Looking forward to seeing the link for this.

I think that we should be able to judge whether LGB Alliance states they have set up to 'oppose Stonewall'. Because there is no mention of Stonewall in their mission statement linked below:

lgballiance.org.uk/policies/

Is there something else you are referring to?

Have they changed it and you have a link to a prior copy?