Waitrose delivery driver

[MsMoorhead]

Kellie Jay-Keen reported by her Waitrose delivery driver!

The driver was at all times outside her home on the doorstep.

Waitrose delivers into your home according to your preference. Before there's more of a run away with the doorstep version of events, can somebody point me to where KJK says that, please? Or is this someone filling in the gaps for their preferred version of events?

KJK has referred to "in my home" both in the original video (approx. 4 mins) and in a recent one, so clarification would be helpful. Original video also has "confines of my private property" several times.

As I said earlier, she had intended to talk about something else and bits of that and her usual promo stuff kept leaking through. However every time she went off on tangents and then came back to precisely the right point in her story. And people used to pay good money to see Billy Connolly do the same thing!

Yeah, its a tad annoying at first but when you can see her trying to explain what happened, why she is so annoyed, remembering she is running a business, has another message she intended to give out, and then remember to get back to the new point, she is funny, amusing and consummately professional in that she doesn't miss a thing!

If you don't like it, move on! Find yourself a corporate feminist to follow.

Bloody hell @Discovereads you, a mere woman, can stand up to threats of having your face ripped off with total equanimity and yet here you are, stoutly defending a man who can't hear the fact that he is male without literally dying!

Have you ever stopped to think about that?

Just read through this (and I have watched the video), and I am astounded at the tenacity with which a certain poster, who looks like they’ve done nothing but engage with this thread for the best part of two days, is arguing that the trans woman was the victim in this situation. It’s really very illuminating.

The waitrose delivery driver has given no indication that she thinks she can’t be misgendered without literally dying. So, no I’m not defending such a person because they are a figment of your imagination.

Not since covid. I get Waitrose deliveries weekly.

They do now deliver indoors again. I have a delivery most weeks and have a choice as to whether they bring stuff in or stay outside.

Well what can I say. I have a heart. I think the delivery driver was impolite by asking a question about the provocative signs on KJKs window but also think she did not deserve to be deliberately misgendered, have their gender identity denied, given a GC lecture which involved demanding they stay out of spaces they have every right to access, or subjected to “colourful language” which we all know is an euphemism for swearing.

Fuckssake Waitrose, this is totally unacceptable

And the minimising cycle goes around again.

Wow those Reddit boards are something else…many referring to gender gp. Have they not been stopped from prescribing?

Also familiar with Waitrose deliveries and yes they do deliver to your kitchen and even unpack.

See above poster who confirms this - however, you can indicate where KJK says doorstep on the video. It should be straightforward as you've asserted it many times and it would clarify matters.

stay out of spaces they have every right to access

What spaces do they have the right to access? Sorry I've not watched the video...

First, she had signs up in her window she said they said “woman: adult human female” so on. The delivery driver who was a trans woman asked: what are the signs in her window? and KJK explained she fought for womens rights. The driver responded, so that includes transwomen then? And KJK said no. The driver said, well I’m not a man. And KJK said yes you are a man and I don’t care what you think you are but don’t use womens spaces (btw deliberately misgendering a trans person is not only rude but a hate crime in Canada). The driver responded well I don’t feel comfortable in the mens. KJK said it’s not womens responsibility to make him comfortable and that more women are uncomfortable than just him if he uses the womens room. The diver said well I’m not going to stop using the womens room because it’s where I belong and I like to. KJK said get off my property. Driver said I’ll take my time. KJK said in “colourful language” to get off her property

im going to take this as gospel because I haven’t seen the video

i think the driver was ok to ask the question about the signs

depending on the signs he may have been goady to ask if it included transwomen….ive no idea

he was very stupid and obviously looking for a rise, or for KJK to back down, to say im not a man (i never back down)

i think its fair enough to have a to and fro about changing rooms, sounds like KJK mentioned it first though if the driver had any sense they’d have realised that their customer service record was shot by this time

i think its fair enough for KJK to say get off my property

and I definitely think its fair enough for KJK to say fuck off in response to ‘I’ll take my time’

its fair enough for waitrose to say we don’t want to deliver to you any more

I don’t have any solutions. I don’t think you are pathetic at all.

I have done over a decade of therapy CBT, trauma counselling, EMDR, etc. I also take medication. In suffering from cPTSD I am hyper vigilant and so often when I’m highly uncomfortable or triggered by something it’s being caused by me and my trauma memories (both physical and mental) and not actually caused by the actions or presence of anyone around me. So I don’t hold those others responsible for triggering me, if you know what I mean by that? I don’t therefore think that they’ve done anything unacceptable or threatening or intimidating just because by cPTSD is triggered. It’s literally me doing it to myself.

So in thinking further on how my thick skin seems to operate it’s not that I don’t feel the feelings of fear and uncertainty, it’s simply that Im able to mentally sit with it, let it flow through me and sort of compartmentalise so I can assess why I am feeling those feelings. Is it because I’m hyper vigilant and therefore can dismiss the environment as not truly threatening, or is there a clear and present threat? I do these mental calculations. Because I can’t show weakness- it’s how I survived a lot of incidents and so I’m not saying you should be like me or anything. Just that I am the way I am because I had to be to survive.

Of course, that all flies out the window if something happens that triggers a flashback. In a flashback I’m back then and no longer in the real world so anything can happen. So thoughts about what triggered the flashback and what can I do in future have to wait until I’m properly back in reality and fully conscious again.

Please don’t make me watch her video again! She is barely coherent, constantly interrupts herself, rambles and changes her story.

I’d rather just allow that the delivery driver could have entered her home instead of staying on the doorstep as all my Waitrose delivery drivers do. I wasn’t aware they could come in again, they’ve not said anything so I was just mistaken about that.

The waitrose delivery driver has given no indication that she thinks she can’t be misgendered without literally dying. So, no I’m not defending such a person because they are a figment of your imagination.

Yeah! That's why that phrase was in italics - denotes hyperbole in this instance. Seeing as you have felt free to add bits and bobs to the tale I was doing the same and referring to the usual daft diatribe, complaints we hear from transwomen when a woman points out their maleness.

He said quite clearly that he would be using female spaces, that he would do so as he pleased, when he pleased. Seems to conform to the general stereotype. The one you are defending!

given a GC lecture which involved demanding they stay out of spaces they have every right to access

No. That is not true. Transwomen - as biological men - can be lawfully excluded from women’s single sex spaces.

It’s worrying that you say you participate in legal processes and yet you have such a misunderstanding of the Equalities Act.

DdraigGoch · Yesterday 23:19

It bloody well is (is that colourful language too much?)

"I'll empty these crates first" is fine, it shows that any loitering before leaving has a genuine purpose.

"I'll take my time" is deliberately antagonistic. It shows that he could see that his presence and behaviour was causing the customer distress, and that he was going to drag it out for its own sake.

Imagine a man and a woman are having consensual sex. All of a sudden the woman feels a sharp pain and firmly and loudly says "ow, that really hurts, stop NOW!"

The man has a choice. He can withdraw immediately and say something like "sorry, what happened, are you OK?" or he can reply "I'll take my time".

I suppose the one thing that we can be grateful of is that the delivery man didn't simply stand there, towering over KJK, right in her face saying "no, and whose gonna make me?"

Depends how much you want to see the content. And there is something quite nice about videos which are more like personal chats than professional documentaries. But, you are right, I think you'd have to be a KJK superfan or very new to the debate to watch her vids start to finish.

They are live streamed sessions and are supposed to be uncut before making publicly available.

If you only want to watch professionally edited videos, watch something else.

Live streams where the presenter is responding to questions, comments and thanking people for donations will always run like this. And yes, discussing the feed quality is important as, if you noticed, she had someone advising her by text as well as people immediately feeding back via the chat session. (If she couldn’t fix it, for example, she might kick everyone out and start again with a fresh session or cut the session short)

If you don’t like the conversational format, don’t watch it. If you want the content, you acknowledge the format has these quirks and get on with it.

It is very simple.

Discovereads

Well what can I say. I have a heart. I think the delivery driver was impolite by asking a question about the provocative signs on KJKs window but also think she did not deserve to be deliberately misgendered, have their gender identity denied, given a GC lecture which involved demanding they stay out of spaces they have every right to access, or subjected to “colourful language” which we all know is an euphemism for swearing.

Your perspective is so warped! The signs were not provacative. The driver wasn't impolite (IMO) to ask about them. He was deeply unprofessional, rude and stupid, however, to get into an argument about politics and women's rights with a customer. Giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming that he wasn't deliberately trying to get into an argument (itself a very bold assumption) then the question was fine IMHO - simple small talk. But, if you're on company time and your attempts at small-talk lead to a customer giving a political opinion that you disagree with you need to move onto the weather or how nice the customer's flowers are looking ASAP. You don't argue with a customer in their own home.

I love how TRAs think rape threats with girl dicks are acceptable as a response to asserting women's rights, but telling someone to fuck off and leave your property (as is your legal right after they have refused to do so) is terrible.

Men have no right to destroy women's spaces. No man has ever accessed a woman's space because it is not a woman's space when it has a man in it.

I was just mistaken about that.
Just to refresh our memories, you wrote:

Latecomers who have not watched the video are believing the misinformation that the delivery driver was in KJKs home and refused to leave the property. This did not happen. The driver was at all times outside her home on the doorstep…

You're plausibly mistaken about a number of your repeated assertions. However, you've confirmed that accuracy and reality aren't meaningful to you when making assertions about others' actions or engaging in a discussion about that. It may also undermine your credibility with those who thought you had offered an accurate summary of the video.

im going to take this as gospel because I haven’t seen the video

Given that poster's distortions on this thread, even disputing Motorina's words with Motorina, that's an interesting choice.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4565561-waitrose-delivery-driver?page=14&reply=117803699

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4565561-waitrose-delivery-driver?page=14&reply=117806811

"I'll take my time" is a threatening statement regardless of whether it triggers someone specifically.

The driver should be sacked.

“Please don’t make me watch her video again! She is barely coherent, constantly interrupts herself, rambles and changes her story.”

I watched the video and she was perfectly coherent and didn’t change her story. She’s doing a live video so what if he rambled and interrupts herself.

As for the delivery driver. He is there to do job and that is to deliver what the customer has paid for. He’s not there to get into a debate or pass comment. Quite frankly he sounded rude, unprofessional and should be investigated by the company for trying to intimidate a woman on her property.