Helen Joyce/Helen Staniland "Trans Elimination" video

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I've just seen a video on YouTube with HJ and HS and HJ is saying that we need to return to a sane world and everyone who has transitioned is damaged and will need special accommodation (detransition treatment?) in the future.

I'm GC and have many concerns about safe spaces and sport etc, but this just seems to be going too far.

I found it quite upsetting if I'm honest.

You wrote, "please provide us with evidence that provision of Halal and Kosher meals along with other meals was considered a ‘huge problem’."

I answered your question and now you're claiming I answered the question as a "distractive technique". How very drole.

@Hearach15 Please could you explain what is the explicit point you wish to make on this whole thread?

Shows the level of conspiracy theory of people who are Gender Critical that a trans person is suspected of being a predator because they chose to be a paramedic.

You people need to put away and keyboard and meet some trans people in real life. You'd realise how normal and boring most of them are.

Helen Joyce believes that all trans people are a "huge problem to a sane world" and I believe that is a very bigoted view.

Trans people are not problems, they are quite wonderful people. She's the problem. 😀

I answered your question and now you're claiming I answered the question as a "distractive technique". How very drole.

and look another squirrel!

Apart from what seems to be a total misunderstanding of Ms Joyce's position, as expressed in her book "Trans: when ideology meets reality", you also seem to misunderstand the meaning of the word 'bigot'.

I note that the majority of paramedics are cisgender men:

www.hcpc-uk.org/resources/freedom-of-information-requests/2017/age-and-gender-breakdown-of-paramedics---november-2017/

And yet you're only having a go at a transwoman here. Very revealing.

As I said, you need to get off the keyboard and go and meet some more LGBT people.

Synonyms: "Prejudiced person".

She is clearly prejudiced against trans people. That's why she believes they're all "huge problems".

Helen Joyce believes that all trans people are a "huge problem to a sane world" and I believe that is a very bigoted view.

Trans people are not problems, they are quite wonderful people. She's the problem. 😀

So you keep saying. And you cannot answer the statements put to you where accommodating the demands of males cause harm to females.

You can keep on repeating the empty claim. It doesn’t sound any more convincing than the first time you posted it.

@Hearach15 "Synonyms: "Prejudiced person".
She is clearly prejudiced against trans people. That's why she believes they're all "huge problems"."

But, of course, you are in no way prejudiced about Ms Joyce, or intolerant of her analysis and opinions, despite never having read a word of what she has written. If you had read such you would know that there is no prejudice in Ms Joyce's analysis or opinions.

So you meant the opposite of what you said then. It's very confusing discussing with you when I don't know if you mean what you say or the opposite.

The fakers that wank in the toilets are not nice people.

Of course I am prejudiced against Joyce. She goes around saying horrible things about trans people and I like trans people.

Trans women aren't males - they're are women!

This all reminds me of when people in America used to complain about having to accommodate LGBT people in the military.

It happened and soon it was all forgotten about.

As people have mentioned on this thread, some of us here are LGBT people.... it's an ongoing mistake many make that women with concerns about retaining single sex rights are only doing so through lack of having met a TQ+ person.

I have several TQ+ friends thanks. I still think female sex based rights are essential, and that sex and gender are not the same thing.

So straight women date trans men then?
Maybe some do, how can you speak for all?

Can you just clarify what you think the words male and female actually mean?

You can't be a trans woman unless you are male.

I note that the majority of paramedics are cisgender men:
www.hcpc-uk.org/resources/freedom-of-information-requests/2017/age-and-gender-breakdown-of-paramedics---november-2017/
And yet you're only having a go at a transwoman here. Very revealing.
As I said, you need to get off the keyboard and go and meet some more LGBT people.

Yes, there will be a lot of men who are not trans, those saying "I can choose any HCP I like" yes that's fair enough and that's your right, but in a medical emergency when you need a paramedic like here, would you really turn away a male paramedic if he turned up in the ambulance to help?!
As you might have to wait a longer time for a female one to become available by which time it could be too late for you!
As for spitting at paramedics turning up because they're trans, and saying "what are you?!" how is that not anything but prejudice?!

You said "when has anyone ever had a problem with Halal meals?" and I provided you with an example.

Oh? A distractive technique then.
A question is asked, somebody answers the question, and that's somehow a distraction technique?!
When is a question not really a question?
When it's on here, it seems.
Make it make sense 😬

GoodJanetBadJanet

So goodjanet are you fully supportive of males being included in female sports categories?

Well, yes — because LGB people aren't pretending to be something they're not and because allowing them the same rights as everyone else (which they didn't have previously) didn't impinge on anyone else's rights. It's not comparable with transgender ideology. Trans people already have the same rights as everyone else and seem to require extra rights — such as requiring us to ignore the evidence of our own eyes in order to avoid hurting their feelings.

As Helen Joyce says, there really is no point in arguing with you because you will always argue in bad faith.

Trans women aren't males - they're are women!

This all reminds me of when people in America used to complain about having to accommodate LGBT people in the military.

And keep on suggesting situations that are not analogous. We can keep on going for as long as you want.

LGB people in the military are ‘not’ like a group of males who are demanding claims that conflict with the rights of females.

LGB people as part of their claims did not demand that males be housed in female prison estates.

LGB people as part of their claims did not demand males compete in female sports categories.

LGB people as part of their claims did not demand people believe ‘Trans women aren't males - they're are women!’

No. Your comparison here is also not analogous.

a) of course that behaviour is absolutely unacceptable, and it's hardly the same thing as saying someone wants a same sex hcp.

b) another false equivalence: there is a significant difference between someone receiving emergency, life threatening care from a paramedic and having a procedure or examination that involves intimate care, such as a smear or breast exam for example, where a female person needs to intentionally put themselves in an extremely vulnerable position and accept touch in extremely intimate places. And some females for varying reasons including trauma, will simply not be able to turn up to those necessary care procedures if the wishes of a biological male hcp to be allowed to do this to a female patient regardless of the patient's need and history of consent (which frankly in my opinion would mean they should not be working in this field at all) is considered more important than the female's needs, feelings and access to medical care.

This whole 2+2 =5 thing doesn't help.