Helen Joyce/Helen Staniland "Trans Elimination" video

[momentsinthewind]

I've just seen a video on YouTube with HJ and HS and HJ is saying that we need to return to a sane world and everyone who has transitioned is damaged and will need special accommodation (detransition treatment?) in the future.

I'm GC and have many concerns about safe spaces and sport etc, but this just seems to be going too far.

I found it quite upsetting if I'm honest.

Indeed, there's a whole group who call themselves "trans widows" because when their spouses comes out as trans women they leave them.

If they were men, I presume, they wouldn't leave them.

Clearly you don't know much about the lives of trans people if you think they do not experience sexual violence and crime disproportionately to cisgender people.

Your starter for 10 for previous discussions of that press release. (And there's nothing like resorting to a press release rather than the actual original study to flag that you haven't read the latter.)

Enter this in a search engine:

site:mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ncvs-trans-press-release/

I'd also encourage you to discuss UK stats on a predominantly UK site.

Exactly this, I'm straight
Attracted to men.
So why would I be attracted to trans women?

Trans women are men

No, I'm saying that few (if any) straight women would date a trans woman because trans women are women.

Last I checked being a straight woman meant being attracted to men?

I previously linked a Guardian report which referred to England and Wales:

www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jul/17/trans-people-twice-as-likely-to-be-victims-of-in-england-and-wales

Also reported on by the BBC:

www.bbc.com/news/uk-48756370

www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-54486122

simpler days
As I said, I'm not attracted to women.
Anyone presenting as a woman, no I'm not going to fancy them am I, it stands to reason.

If I have requested care from a female HCP and am confronted with Steph, and then refuse help from Steph because Steph is male, I am being 'transphobic'? Confirm please.

So straight women date trans men then?

I appreciate that you believe that.

Equally you need to appreciate that others do not, and are not compelled to share in your belief system.

Frankly if there was basic tolerance that some people will choose to act within these beliefs and some will not, and both positions are fine and no one needs to change to suit the other group, there'd be no problem.

This will involve ending the attempt to remove homosexuality as unacceptable rejection of someone's gender identity.

To clarify: People have every right to ask for a same-sex HCP if they so wish. This is nothing to do with 'transphobia'.

Five years ago and in response to the then front page news that some animals are not stunned prior to being killed.

Same newspaper did its usually frenzy whipping and various religious requirements for various foods were vilified with little understanding. Not least if which still holds - quite a bit more of the meat than you might expect that is sold in supermarkets is halal. The cuts of meat (some rump for example) not suitable for halal consumption are added that the non halal meat. Just as all the organically grown veg the supermarket won't pay the organic premium for is added to the other veg.

So your Gotcha isn't quite what you thought. And didn't last long anyway.

Indeed they do. Maybe they like their moustaches or some other manly thing.

To go further: Any HCP that complains about patients refusing treatment for them and claiming its 'transphobia' when it is far more likely to be merely not wanting treatment from a male HCP is prioritising their own 'identity' over the wellbeing of patients and is ill suited for a caring role where patients are by definition vulnerable.

Did those children not get fed alternative healthy meals Hearach15?

Were they accommodated in other ways that allowed them to eat?

Again…. How is this comparative to females being put at risk around the world and here in the UK, of significant harm from males in their prison cells?

How is this comparative of females being harmed due to males in female sports categories?

You can refuse treatment from anyone you want.

But 999 isn't going to offer you a choice of who they send - the NHS is a bit stretched if you haven't heard.

But if you rather die from a heart attack than be treated a trans woman that's up to you. Good luck to you.

How very unpleasant of you.

And it slipped. Had any one of us posted that there would be a huge outcry, a definite response from those who monitor.

I fear someone might experience a bit of a backlash for that humour!

Even now, when I have posted this, they wouldn't be able to stop themselves!

You said "when has anyone ever had a problem with Halal meals?" and I provided you with an example.

To clarify, people have every right to die or suffer rather than be treated a transgender paramedic.

I just think that is a silly thing to do and I am glad I am not like that.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sussex-61745903

Yes it is very unpleasant that people are spitting a trans person while doing their job. Have they no respect?

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sussex-61745903

"Same newspaper did its usually frenzy whipping"

Yep, they've mostly moved on from Muslims to trans people now (that why they give people like Joyce so much publicity)

Hearach15:
"Who like a problem?"

I suppose this to be an example of a woke (neo-?) interrogative pronoun? I hadn't seen it before. But can I try to answer?

I likes a problem. In fact, we enjoys many different sorts of problems, us.

Here's a good one:
-- An adjective is autological if it is true of itself (eg 'polysyllabic' has more than one syllable, so it is true of itself, hence autological);
-- Any adjective that does not apply to itself ( eg 'monosyllabic') is heterological.
OK?
So, the problem: Is the adjective 'heterological' heterological?

Who like it? (Apart fom Kurt Grelling, Leonard Nelson, Herman Weyl and me.)

[Pronouns. One of my children was an early speaker. But for a long time she mixed first- and second-person forms, saying 'you' when she meant 'I', 'yours' for 'mine' and so on. (If you think about it, it's an obvious mistake to make: I give her a doll and say, "That's yours. ... So whose doll is it?" ... Reply? -- "Yours," of course.)

Problem? How to explain the correct use of indexical pronouns like 'I' and 'you' explicitly to one who hasn't got the idea yet, but can otherwise speak well?
Who like this problem?
Hearach15? Dost thou likest them?]

I suspect when Hierach15 says 'women' and 'men' they mean people under the age of, say, 26, who've been schooled to believe that sex is irrelevant and think that makes them far more interesting than their mums and dads.

C'mon, we all did it our own way (in my case David Bowie) and we all laugh at our younger selves now.

You said "when has anyone ever had a problem with Halal meals?" and I provided you with an example.

Oh? A distractive technique then.

You have failed in providing anything that disproved the ‘huge problems’ that are presented by just those two issues. Yet you continue to assert that Helen Joyce is wrong or even more.