Women removed from the maternity act Ireland

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The Countess women's group in Ireland have found out that the words women/woman and female will be removed from the Maternity Protection Act 1994.

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Is this legal because of self ID?

Bump for Sunday morning.

I think they are trying this in Scotland. Removing the word woman.

it’s a crock of shite and hidden from the public

I don’t understand how the most marginalised in society are able to get government s to erase the word women.

This is worse than anything the Church did to women. Imagine indeed if some Bishop suggested removing the word Woman from maternity legislation. The 'liberals ' would be incandescent.

I suppose it's if trans men give birth. By legal definition, if they've gone through all the legal steps, they would be men, which leaves them left out of a maternity act which only references "women". It's just a widening of scope that includes more people who need the rights in the Maternity Act

Wouldn't this be the unavoidable consequence of self-ID and the terms 'women' and 'men' being repurposed so that they are not based on biological sex but on something nobody appears to be able to define (abstract feelings of femininity)?

Once the terms legally mean identities, it would, indeed, be exclusive to refer to 'women' in those contexts where female biological sex is discussed as there will now be biologically female people who don't want to be called women (but men or nonbinary).

'Whom the gods would destroy they first make mad'. And in order to confuse the population it helps to trash the language. So that words are used to conceal rather than to reveal. Orwell foresaw so much.

I look forward to the feminists telling men they can't legislate on women's bodies.

Because there will be no such thing. Only 'people's bodies', belonging to anyone.

Apparently this is already happening in some of demonstrations about the overturning of Roe v. Wade. Some organisers disapprove of what they call 'exclusive' language in signs protesters can bring with them.

Sadly, much of this erasure of women everywhere is done by young feminist groups in their desire to be inclusive towards a minority they view as extremely marginalised and oppressed.

Ireland is complete shitshow on this - has bought genderwoo hook, line and sinker. It's so depressing how much our government don't give a shit about women.

We don't even have sex as a protected characteristic, in our Equality Law it says Gender. And since you can chose whatever gender you want to be it's essentially meaningless.

No - this is bullshit. Transmen are biological women. If they chose to go through pregnancy and childbirth, which they can only do because of their female biology - how can they also claim to be men? It's nonsense.

They can call themselves whatever they like, but they cannot and should not remove the descriptors for other people.

And it's not 'widening the scope', it is limiting it by removing the woman.

Women of Ireland - I am so sorry. It seems hopelessly far gone. I'm in Scotland, and hoping like hell that the government row back before we join you.

But legally they are men. And this is something regarding law. Your personal opinion of what is and isn't a man doesn't match with what is written in law.

Yes, the law has erased women's rights.

No it's just also including trans men too :)

If you can't define 'woman', then you can't protect women's rights.

The Countess women's group in Ireland have found out that the words women/woman and female will be removed from the Maternity Protection Act 1994

ffs.

So the tiny minority of females who choose to opt out of using the words woman/women/female, because they claim it upsets them to be reminded of their biological sex, want the 99.9% of females who DO want to be called women to stop being referred to by those words too in all policy and laws?

How self centred and narcissistic do you have to be to want to remove the language of the entire female population because you don't like the reality of your sex. (Although it seems fine and not triggering at all to use that sexed body to do the one thing only women can do, but words on a policy are somehow triggering?)

Can the law be changed?

It came into being under the radar. Many Irish people are still unaware of it (not accepting, unaware). The consequences of the law weren't properly understood or even forseen by the politicians involved. It's all such a mess.

But legally they are men. And this is something regarding law. Your personal opinion of what is and isn't a man doesn't match with what is written in law.
Whatever, they have no business writing women out of law.
We need a word for ourselves.

Oh my goodness. Absolutely this. I do feel Iike I am losing my mind over this. And over dinner last night, arguing about this issue, 3 of us (in education, banking and NHS) said what is so scary is that you could lose your job for just not agreeing.

It does indeed feel Orwellian.

But legally they are men. And this is something regarding law. Your personal opinion of what is and isn't a man doesn't match with what is written in law

The law is wrong. It's not "personal opinion" what is and is not a man, its biological fact.

Neither opinion nor law can change biology.

I thought there was a recent successful legal challenge to the SNP re the 2018 Gender Representation on Public Boards (Scotland) Act which confirmed that the devolved SNP administration could not redefine the meaning of woman to include transwomen as it would be in contravention of sex-based protection in the UK Equality Act.
Presumably re the current legislation they are trying to get through, when legally challenged (we shouldn't have to do this) it will also be found to be at odds with the existing UK Laws.

This thought is all that it is making it possible for me to remain living in Scotland right now. I have just about had enough of this attack on the sex based rights of 50% population.
The SNP's continual attempts to act 'beyond their devolved powers' are making devolution look like a massive mistake. One example of many being the insistence on a second referendum being 'round the corner' even though they do not have the power to call one.

Yesterday I created a post but then decided to cancel it as it seemed perhaps too ludicrous, however seeing this insanity coming out of Ireland I've changed my mind so here it is:

We are told that sex is not written in stone because sex socially constructed. This is highly debatable but debate isn't allowed so let us turn our attention to words because words are definitely socially constructed. Though a sad undertaking whatever is socially constructed can be destructed. Let us then destroy all words currently in use identifying or relating to gender.

Currently we see this happening to words relating to women and females but why stop there? If women can't have the words everyone, including ourselves,have used for centuries to identify our sex then men and transitioned folks shouldn't be able to keep theirs. Furthermore no one can fight over who is a woman and whether men can be pregnant if those words don't exist.

So inspired by bird-watchers, here is my humble attempt at constructing new phrases to identify sexed humans:

Double-breasted vagina person
Double-breasted,double-nutted penised person
Double-breasted,designer vagina person

Breastless, double nutted penised person
Breastless,unpenised person.
Breastless, designer penis person

This is the kernel of the problem. Even people who know about - and disapprove of - Lia Thomas seem unaware that Ireland has self ID. It won't impinge upon the national consciousness until some 6 footer weighing 15 stone appears in an inter County camogie team. With badly applied make up barely concealing his stubble.