Women removed from the maternity act Ireland

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The Countess women's group in Ireland have found out that the words women/woman and female will be removed from the Maternity Protection Act 1994.

twitter.com/TheCountessIE/status/1532836396414681088?s=20&t=nEw3VkmgRFn1Wx77m15ZBQ

I'd go so far as to say the majority of Irish people have know idea this is going on and what Self ID even is never mind that it was even brought into law

Labour Senator Annie Hoey tweeted this yesterday evening:

"This is extremely significant from @DublinPride. RTE cannot expect for it be acceptable to posit trans people’ lives and existence as a debate topic and then be media partners for an LGBTQ+ org. Actions speak very loudly in this instance.
No LGB without the T"

Very shortly before that, she had, apparently without irony, retweeted a post of the poem "Differences of Opinion," by Wendy Cope:

"He tells her that the earth is flat.
He knows the facts, and that is that.
In altercations fierce and long
She tries her best to prove him wrong.
But he has learned to argue well.
He calls her arguments unsound.
And often asks her not to yell.
She cannot win. He stands his ground
The planet goes on being round."

I find it interesting that the idea of a trans man (born female) having a baby is not challenged. To obtain a gender recognition certificate a person must state their intent is to live in the preferred gender for the REST OF THEIR LIVES. So to be stopping any hormone treatment or becoming pregnant they are no longer in that gender?? Unless of course they will argue that males can have a uterus too.

What a shitshow.

That provision was always a red herring, a way of saying that no-one would or could abuse the process. But it's meaningless - what does it mean to "live as a man" anyway, except by being male?

Supporters of gender ideology will just say, "Sure, most men don't birth babies, but some do."

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Niall Boylan
@Niall_Boylan
Very pleased to hear

@MacCoillte

(head of RTÉ radio one) on

@RTERadio1

say he “stands over” the #liveline debate on the use of the word “woman” and #Transrights. He acknowledges that some people may be hurt but felt debate and opinions are important on national radio.
5:27 pm · 15 Jun 2022·Twitter for iPhone

Actually, I now see that Niall's been tweeting about this subject for a while. He's in no doubt what a mother is.

twitter.com/hoeyannie/status/1315326910453383170?t=2vNhrQhdb8Dnr4lIugx61g&s=19

The term man and woman will soon become a thing in the past

Annie Hoey really is a dose, nothing concrete just vague accusations about existences being debated, if anyones existence is being erased its women.

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I think that they're Streisand effecting themselves by keeping the RTE thing going and hauling them up in front of a committee. They're making it a national news story for days on end, they clearly didn't read the Dentons document that these things should be done in the shadows. I would say a lot more people know about the proposed changes to the Maternity Bill than they did before.

That's the case in the UK but in Ireland there don't appear to be any similar criteria. Your name simply needs to appear in one of the required registers and you can apply for a GRC. I did not know this until this morning.

www.gov.ie/en/service/b55abf-gender-recognition-certificate/#

I'm laughing at the implication that one of the biggest offences was discussing women's rights during Pride Month. Imagine thinking you have a whole month to pass legislation that directly harms others and yet nobody is allowed to question it.

If a transman has had so much surgery that some would now consider them legally a man, then they can't make use of maternity services anyways.

Or are they men with wombs and cervixes? Ergo, women?

In the news today:

Trans rights should not be debated ‘quite so vigorously’, says Equality Minister Roderic O’Gorman
What about the rights of women when there is a conflict, Minister?

Ellen Coyne: What’s all the fuss about? Context is crucial to understanding the Dublin Pride and RTÉ falling-out
The full article is behind a paywall but one paragraph says: "Those paying attention to Liveline will have recognised many of the talking points made by contributors as being the same as those that are popular with British “gender critical” activists. This is why trans people are worried. It is a little unfair to say that those who criticised Liveline are just afraid of debate, when it’s much more likely that they are afraid of losing hard-won rights." She also makes this claim: the self-ID law "that Ireland has had in place for seven years now, with no clear or significant evidence that it has erased or rolled back the rights of cisgender women in Ireland."

Mick Clifford: The RTÉ-Dublin Pride row raises questions over freedom of speech

"hard won rights" are important if your trans, not important at all if you're a woman it seems. Being referred to by what you'd like to be referred to is important if you're trans, being referred to by what you'd like to be referred to not important at all if you're a woman. The double standards are disgusting.

Look at that. It's the Brits at it again. Either influencing or impersonating our lovely, kind mná who would never, ever have any issue with our lovely trans sisters if it wasn't for that vile Terf Island nextdoor.

To be fair though, I was peaked on mumsnet after the Get The L Out protest at London Pride 4 years ago. So maybe she's right!

I listened to the last episode of Live line and what struck me was 3 of the 4 people talking on the "trans side" sounded American ............

Apparently they're talking about it on Newstalk this morning, haven't heard it though (not sure if it's aired already)

Newstalk Breakfast interview with Stella O'Malley and Annie Hoey:
Dublin Pride, RTE and free speech 16 Jun 2022

Summary / partial transcript:
Oireachtas entry into RTÉ dispute with Dublin Pride dispute a 'direct line to totalitarianism'

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She also makes this claim: the self-ID law "that Ireland has had in place for seven years now, with no clear or significant evidence that it has erased or rolled back the rights of cisgender women in Ireland."

I really hate this constant 'everything is fine, nothing to see here' bullshit that we keep getting thrown at us. No 'significant evidence' - well, have they even looked?

Has anyone actually asked the women of Ireland how we feel about Self ID law? No.

What about the women in Limerick prison who are housed with male sex offenders, were they asked if they were ok with it? No.

It smacks of see no evil, hear no evil.

Mick Clifford's article is good.

I knew Ellen Coynes would not be reasoned when she started out "it's important to note it is Pride Month"

Why is always framed as rights being removed from trans people and not women??

Must listen back to Stella on Newstalk.

Annie Hoey

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Why is always framed as rights being removed from trans people and not women??

Because our rights have already been removed before we even knew about it so now self ID is here it would be their bloody rights being removed ffs. I'm actually disgusted how sneakily they've done that too

Another ridiculous senator who spouts nonsense and loves the sound of their own voice.

I'm so frustrated at the complete lack of common sense of our politicians.

Where are all the grown ups?

Yes, exactly. We weren't consulted on this. They didn't give a shit about the effect this would have on women and girls because we don't matter apparently.

'Sex' isn't even a protected characteristic in our Equality legislation.

It's quite jarring to realise just how much contempt our own government have for us.

It really is jarring, It's the Catholic Church all over again shitting on women and we sleep walked right into it under the guise of progressiveness

Great article by Colette Colfer in Broadsheet about the parallels a few weeks ago
www.broadsheet.ie/2022/04/26/colette-colfer-a-new-religion/

Nothing to see here, lets all sweep it under the carpet. They're crazy if they think that Pride will settle for anything but capitulation www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/oireachtas-committee-defends-invitation-to-rte-after-dublin-pride-ends-partnership-1320671.html

"Later on RTÉ radio’s Morning Ireland, Fianna Fáil Senator Malcolm Byrne called on RTÉ and Dublin Pride to “sit down and discuss their differences”, preferably in advance of the Committee meeting."

Leo thinks that trans people were upset about this because they weren't part of the conversation, he clearly didn't listen to the broadcasts, they were part of it, they had just as much time to get their points across, they're annoyed because their position doesn't stand up to scrutiny www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/leo-varadkar-says-he-hopes-rte-and-pride-organisers-can-sort-out-differences-1320833.html

@miri1985 Thanks for that article by Colette Colfer, I really liked her on Live Line, very reasonable and articulate woman.