LGB Alliance monkeypox tweets deleted

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The LGB Alliance tweets from yesterday about gay men and monkeypox have been deleted by twitter for either homophobia or misinformation.

It is not a STD. And whilst there have been a few cases where the initial leision was on the genitals it most commonly starts on the face. So had it been more prevalent in another community then this would be being picked up. It also spreads across the body so even if it was picked up a few days later then that would be being seen now.

My point is it's not a view that's particularly enticing or welcoming for bisexual people and therefore I don't think a high proportion of lgba's supporters are bisexual

I'm not convinced by your logic. Respectful bisexual people recognise that gay and lesbian people often have different experiences. It's an alliance. Just like most GC men don't insist on following women into the loos because they share a common cause.

We'll have to agree to disagree then.

Yes I guess we will.

And it is very clear that you Foiball cannot countenance any lesbian group or any gay group being in existence without you. Good to have that clear so readers can then assess the credibility to give your attempts to smear the LGBA.

So. If I joined a large group for women, I should expect all sub-groups to be accessible to me. Groups for women who are refugees, groups for women who are 18-25, all of them. No group allowed to have their own?

And if the 18-25 year olds exclude me, I should call them out for hatred. Even though the main group is inclusive and provides me ample opportunity to participate as well?

My point is it's not a view that's particularly enticing or welcoming for bisexual people and therefore I don't think a high proportion of lgba's supporters are bisexual

We know they do have bisexual supporters so I guess this supporters understand and respect the need for others to have their own spaces sometimes.

And no one is forcing anyone to support any group.

If there are genuine issues, discuss them.

Those not this

Genuinely curious - how do we know that?

You seem intent on misinterpreting my comments.

Where I have said it's a STD? I have said it is commonly mistaken as a STD, which is why many patients have been identified at sexual health clinics.

The point remains that it is not a disease exclusive to gay men, and messaging needs to be careful to not imply straight people are immune or should not practise the same caution. This is what epidemiologists & public health bodies said about HIV, this is what they are saying about monkeypox. I think organisations should take their lead from public health bodies, rather than putting out their own messaging which leads to confusion like yours.

I'm bisexual. I wouldn't dream of taking a male partner to a lesbian venue. I agree with LGBA, that would be incredibly disrespectful.

Maybe young gay males have issues if they think the lesbian women who were the significant drivers of setting up LGBA are like ‘their straight mums’.

The hardcore support of LGB Alliance by Mumsnet is terrible PR for them, also younger gay men have no interest in opinions about their lifestyle from elder lesbians.

I'm not trying to smear anyone, or any organisation, I'm trying to understand.

So what you're telling me is that the lgba, has sub-groups for lesbian, gay, and bisexual people.

The hardcore support of LGB Alliance by Mumsnet is terrible PR for them

There are a fair few lesbians and bisexual women on this board.

young gay males have issues if they think the lesbian women who were the significant drivers of setting up LGBA are like ‘their straight mums’

So no ageism or sexism there then. Bless.

Genuinely curious - how do we know that?

Because people who don’t read penis news meet and talk with other people in real life and on other social media. And read things published by other people who have said they are bisexual.

The usual way. Meeting and reading a wide range of people and opinions.

The LGB Alliance has been targeted since its inception. It has generated fury amongst those who want sexual orientation to be based on the ever changing concept of 'gender' and not sex.

Do those trying to shut them down with all manner of spurious reasons, (they're homophobic, they exclude bisexual people, there are hardly any lesbians in it), really think anyone believes a single word of that?

If the the Allison Bailey tribunal did nothing else, it highlighted to the public at large the outraged anger towards men and women who want to exclude T from the LGB.

It's one thing wanting to redefine homosexuality to include heterosexual people, it's quite another expecting people to buy, even for a nanosecond, the ridiculous attempts to discredit the LGBA as a means to do it.

Apart from anything else, it only reinforces the need for the LGBA in the first place.

So what you're telling me is that the lgba, has sub-groups for lesbian, gay, and bisexual people.

No.

I am telling you that groups of people have every right to have and expect to be able to meet for whatever reason as a exclusive group. Even an umbrella representing all those who wish to be part of that group can still support and advocate for spaces for specific groups that exclude others who are not part of that group.

If you are bisexual, you can have your own spaces. If a group of homosexual people want a space of their own sometimes, it shouldn’t be controversial and considered hate.

What is Penis News?

I'm bisexual and I agree wholeheartedly with that tweet.

At uni I happily attended GaySoc mixers when I was single but I was still up front with the lesbian students that I was bi and not exclusively same sex attracted because I respected their right to set boundaries. I knew the lesbian nights were for actual lesbians, not just non-hetero women.

It is different for lesbian women than bisexual women and there are few enough lesbian nights left as it is without opening them up to all the "drunkenly kissed a girl once" lot.

What is Penis News?

Pink News. A site run by someone who seems to like to make sure everyone knows their sometimes misogynistic, but generally very biased and often unresearched and unverified views that another poster linked up to thread.

Your interpretation of the tweet you posted seemed to very much to fit into the pink news style of interpretation.

Hey wims! We now have to start publicly signalling our support in droves for Stonewall it seems and maybe that will make it so uncool that schools will start looking for more balanced educational resources. Let's line up our bots and our socks and make this HAPPEN!

No one is telling anyone which organisations to support.

Do you honestly not think that Stonewall, who are also widely supported amongst 'straight mums' suffers the exact same issue? Or do Stonewall supporters wear their hair differently? Or do they go to a different school perhaps?

So, if young gay males are so sexist and ageist that they cannot have respect for the 'elder lesbians and gay men' who have started LGBA and are volunteering their time to create an organisation that represents LGB needs separate from other groups, then no one is forcing them to join. It is obviously not for them.

And way to go in minimising large swathes of users of MN Feminist chat board too. I am sure you realise this is an open forum and there is not actual screening to ensure that anyone is actual female, let alone a parent.

Where I have said it's a STD?

"...that has been mistaken for other STDs."

The point remains that it is not a disease exclusive to gay men, and messaging needs to be careful to not imply straight people are immune or should not practise the same caution. This is what epidemiologists & public health bodies said about HIV, this is what they are saying about monkeypox. I think organisations should take their lead from public health bodies, rather than putting out their own messaging which leads to confusion like yours.

Public health bodies have been clear that monkey pox in the UK has been spread initially in a gay male community. What is dangerous is ignoring that and pretending everyone is currently at equal risk so that community doesn't need targeted messaging. It is like ignoring the risk of discharging elderly from hospitals untested to care homes at the start of the covid pandemic and we know how well that worked out.

Do you honestly not think that Stonewall..

This thread is nothing to do with Stonewall, it's about an organisation set up by five 50+ straight/gay people calling for the closure of (amongst other things) venues frequented by younger gay men (leather bars/dark rooms).

Not a good look.

There are plenty of swingers bars, clubs and networks of house parties all over the places. There was a Swinger AMA on mumsnet a month or two ago with plenty of discussion and there are regularly threads on swinging in the sex forum. So I don't know how the fuck so many people are somehow pretending that straight people don't attend sex specific venues.

Its kind of reminiscent of the insanely racist way TRA's keep referring to black women while pretending to be concerned about them. This time we're implying that only gay men go mad for casual sex while pretending to stick up for them. Yes, proportionally more gay men attend sex clubs/venues/paries. But overall, most sex clubs and parties are likely attended by straight/mostly straight people. The spread right now is most prevalent in clubs catering to mlm venues but could quite quickly spread in to the mostly straight venues too. Shutting them down for a very short period to stop the spread of a potentially, though reasonably rarely, terminal illness makes sense.