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pezdis · 2022-05-30T20:44:37+00:00

The LGB Alliance tweets from yesterday about gay men and monkeypox have been deleted by twitter for either homophobia or misinformation.

hedgehogger1 · 31/05/2022 08:52

So they made recommendations based on a health issue that has disproportionately effected their members and are being silenced for it?! How very progressive

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 31/05/2022 08:55

tabbycatstripy · 31/05/2022 08:09

I agree that it’s not hate speech or ‘misinformation’. It’s just an opinion with which people are allowed to disagree.

Absolutely

AlisonDonut · 31/05/2022 08:57

It also doesn’t help that quite a few LGBA members are straight.

Do they have any members? Or are they supporters?

ResisterRex · 31/05/2022 08:58

I thought having straight members was fine cos alllies. Maybe this is The Wrong Kind though...

Wait4me · 31/05/2022 08:59

It's the only gay rights charity/organisation in the world to have called for the closing of venues.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 31/05/2022 09:00

I thought they were supporters as well, so youd have to be gay to support gay people 🤔

one assumes you have to be trans to support trans people and black to support black people

id like to know for deffo so if anyone can link to membership rules that would be awesome and go some way to closing down this statement one way or another

Abhannmor · 31/05/2022 09:05

You have to be black to support black people? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your post. Anyway people can express opinions here. Unlike the totalitarian loony bin called Twitter.

Cismyfatarse · 31/05/2022 09:06

AlisonDonut · 31/05/2022 08:57

It also doesn’t help that quite a few LGBA members are straight.

Do they have any members? Or are they supporters?

Not, as it happens, a member / supporter, although my Amazon account Smile points go to them.

However,what is wrong with allies? Surely any minority can flourish and thrive more effectively if their voices are amplified by the majority.

Plus, many of us have deep connections with the LGB community so are very much supportive of LGBA.

AlisonDonut · 31/05/2022 09:07

Wait4me · 31/05/2022 08:59

It's the only gay rights charity/organisation in the world to have called for the closing of venues.

And?

That doesn't make it wrong or right, as nobody can predict the future...

Hearach15 · 31/05/2022 09:07

The LGB Alliance calling for gay venues to be shut down is VERY funny because they are not a group that advocates for gay interests.

They were set up to campaign against trans rights and occasionally like to excuse homophobia e.g. when they said it wasn't homophobic to be against gay marriage: www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/06/19/lgb-alliance-same-sex-marriage-twitter-transgender-homophobia-owen-jones-baclash/

Glad they are being shown up for who they really are.

AlisonDonut · 31/05/2022 09:09

Cismyfatarse · 31/05/2022 09:06

Not, as it happens, a member / supporter, although my Amazon account Smile points go to them.

However,what is wrong with allies? Surely any minority can flourish and thrive more effectively if their voices are amplified by the majority.

Plus, many of us have deep connections with the LGB community so are very much supportive of LGBA.

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Yeah I know that!

I was pointing out that quoting figures based on a membership which doesn't exist, but is based on answers to a questionnaire sent to supporters is a completely different thing.

AlisonDonut · 31/05/2022 09:10

Hearach15 · 31/05/2022 09:07

The LGB Alliance calling for gay venues to be shut down is VERY funny because they are not a group that advocates for gay interests.

They were set up to campaign against trans rights and occasionally like to excuse homophobia e.g. when they said it wasn't homophobic to be against gay marriage: www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/06/19/lgb-alliance-same-sex-marriage-twitter-transgender-homophobia-owen-jones-baclash/

Glad they are being shown up for who they really are.

Do you even know who the LGB Alliance are?

crumpet · 31/05/2022 09:11

We are not going to know for a while whether closing of venues would be a good idea or whether LGBA have jumped the gun a bit too soon.

Regardless, Twitter have inappropriately over reacted.

Helleofabore · 31/05/2022 09:13

Oh well! Are all Stonewall supporters pure and vetted too? Maybe all those paying stonewall should only pay the proportion of the fee that equates to the proportion of the people in that organisation that Stonewall represent! Great idea.

Gosh! How amazing to think just anyone can give money to any legal organisation they want to.

Hearach15 · 31/05/2022 09:14

There are far more straight people who support LGB Alliance than actual gay people. According to their evidence in the Allison Bailey Tribunal only 7% of their subscribers are lesbian: twitter.com/tribunaltweets/status/1521512107774205954

The reason for that is they're not an actual gay rights group, they're a group that exists solely to campaign against trans people.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 31/05/2022 09:14

Abhannmor · 31/05/2022 09:05

You have to be black to support black people? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your post. Anyway people can express opinions here. Unlike the totalitarian loony bin called Twitter.

Yes you are 😊

but its ok, it probably wasn’t clear enough

Wait4me · 31/05/2022 09:14

However,what is wrong with allies? Surely any minority can flourish and thrive more effectively if their voices are amplified by the majority.

The popularity and support of LGB Alliance here by what is assumed to be 40+ females who are known for adamant support of women's rights only doesn't play well with young, gay males unfortunately.
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Hearach15 · 31/05/2022 09:16

Yes, a 'gay' group who think it isn't homophobic to be against gay marriage.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/06/19/lgb-alliance-same-sex-marriage-twitter-transgender-homophobia-owen-jones-baclash/

No wonder they have so little support among the wider LGBT community

Hearach15 · 31/05/2022 09:17

AlisonDonut · 31/05/2022 09:10

Do you even know who the LGB Alliance are?

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Yes, a 'gay' group who think it isn't homophobic to be against gay marriage.
www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/06/19/lgb-alliance-same-sex-marriage-twitter-transgender-homophobia-owen-jones-baclash/
No wonder they have so little support among the wider LGBT community

Hearach15 · 31/05/2022 09:18

Cismyfatarse · 31/05/2022 09:06

Not, as it happens, a member / supporter, although my Amazon account Smile points go to them.

However,what is wrong with allies? Surely any minority can flourish and thrive more effectively if their voices are amplified by the majority.

Plus, many of us have deep connections with the LGB community so are very much supportive of LGBA.

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There are far more straight people who support LGB Alliance than actual gay people. According to their evidence in the Allison Bailey Tribunal only 7% of their subscribers are lesbian: twitter.com/tribunaltweets/status/1521512107774205954
The reason for that is they're not an actual gay rights group, they're a group that exists solely to campaign against trans people.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 31/05/2022 09:18

I dont support or not support any organisations

i think its wrong that a tweet attempting to inform and protect a group disproportionately affected by a disease has been deleted…or was deleted, someone upthread said it was back i think

SunThroughTheCloudsAt6am · 31/05/2022 09:21

Did you read anything about that Hearach15?

Did you understand that many in the LGBA have been involved in gay rights for a very long time, and they might hold different opinions on what is best for their community? That there were some Gay and Lesbian people who felt that asking for gay people to be able to marry was selling out to the establishment, and didn't support it?

Can you understand that different people can have different opinions, and just because someone feels that a different direction is better, that doesn't mean they hate you or are scared of you?

AlisonDonut · 31/05/2022 09:22

According to their evidence in the Allison Bailey Tribunal only 7% of their subscribers are lesbian

Do you mean 7% of the people that responded to a questionnaire said they are a lesbian?

Nothing about that says the rest are straight. They could be gay. They could be Bi. And others could be straight.

And what of it anyway? Straight people are allowed to support non-straight people aren't they?

Lovelyricepudding · 31/05/2022 09:24

IO: do you suggest that this shows what the general pop believes?
KB: not a statistician but eg 7% of pop are lesbians and in our Q we had a similar response

How do you get 7% of LBGA are lesbians from that? It sounds like they are talking about the prevalence of a belief in different populations - one in which 7% are lesbian versus the population that responded to their questionnaire.

Helleofabore · 31/05/2022 09:24

They were set up to campaign against trans rights and occasionally like to excuse homophobia e.g. when they said it wasn't homophobic to be against gay marriage

When you get your views directly from Cohen and pink news, you really don’t have much to be proud of.

If you are crowing about the argument around same sex marriage, many LGB people had alternative views about calling it marriage and other aspects. Wasn’t there some dissension in Stonewall around the wording of the Act etc.

There are many reasons to be ‘against’ a bill being passed in parliament that actually doesn’t mean you are against the concept at all. It usually means you want the legislation to be worded differently.

But maybe that is not a nuance that runs through some people’s minds when they think about whether someone is ‘for’ or ‘against’ a bill in this polarised era where people also seem to outsource their critical thinking.