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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Stella Creasy says women can have penises

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WhereAreWeNow · 28/05/2022 06:13

Stella Creasy has doubled down on her TWAW position in today's Telegraph www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/stella-creasy-jk-rowling-wrong-woman-can-have-penis/

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Basketet · 28/05/2022 17:49

Excuse typos - I'm bloody outraged 😠

MarshaBradyo · 28/05/2022 17:51

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Ha yes at this

appreciating these threads tg others feel the same

turbonerd · 28/05/2022 18:19

sorry @SpindleSheWrote ,
it was really not meant to play into such an awful ‘gotcha’.
it is the origins of the word hysterical that I find rather offensive, and very much so in this debate.

Snoozer11 · 28/05/2022 18:27

Stella on the patriarchy:
“Has that really changed, that idea that we indulge entitlement?"

Also Stella:
Yep, males who wish to be women are women and they should have unfiltered access to women's spaces.

MarshaBradyo · 28/05/2022 18:28

Basketet what was wrong with your post?!

SpindleSheWrote · 28/05/2022 18:30

turbonerd · 28/05/2022 18:19

sorry @SpindleSheWrote ,
it was really not meant to play into such an awful ‘gotcha’.
it is the origins of the word hysterical that I find rather offensive, and very much so in this debate.

Oh no I didn't mean you! I meant the TRAs on Twitter especially (and who monitor women on here and do 'The Plop' now and again.)

Be Prepared!

MrsMidClegs · 28/05/2022 18:52

Creasy had some dealings with the beloved Tatchell didn't she, they were together trying to make misogyny a hate crime. That I think was in 2019 #greasycreasy

DrBrennerFan · 28/05/2022 19:10

BrownTableMat · 28/05/2022 11:03

What the fuck has any of this got to do with ‘sexual preferences’ or ‘gays and lesbians’?

I don’t give a fuck anymore do what you like. You want women with penis then fine in sick the lot.

MagnoliaTaint · 28/05/2022 19:22

what does it mean to live as a woman? I wear flat shoes, I’ve got terrible bunions

😐

Basketet · 28/05/2022 19:27

MarshaBradyo · 28/05/2022 18:28

Basketet what was wrong with your post?!

The truth?

MarshaBradyo · 28/05/2022 19:32

Basketet · 28/05/2022 19:27

The truth?

I assume it’s because you called Labour a bunch of so and so

other posters would barely post undeleted according to these guidelines and the amount of insults flying around

Weird

Basketet · 28/05/2022 19:39

Let me reword it.

I wonder how aware Keir Starmer is that Labour are losing a huge demographic of their would be electorate due to their support for this insidious ideology?

A high ranking Labour politician spouting such utter clap-trap is an indictment of the party; and this cult hellbent on erasing me/women.

Boiledbeetle · 28/05/2022 19:53

Basketet · 28/05/2022 19:39

Let me reword it.

I wonder how aware Keir Starmer is that Labour are losing a huge demographic of their would be electorate due to their support for this insidious ideology?

A high ranking Labour politician spouting such utter clap-trap is an indictment of the party; and this cult hellbent on erasing me/women.

Well he'll know from me as soon as he checks his work emails. 😡

I may have sent an email to him and Stella today telling them how thoroughly unimpressed I am with her behaviour today and his Inability to say adult human female!to

I've bloody had enough!

ginghamstarfish · 28/05/2022 19:53

What an idiot. Another nail in the Labour Party's coffin.

Basketet · 28/05/2022 19:54

MarshaBradyo · 28/05/2022 19:32

I assume it’s because you called Labour a bunch of so and so

other posters would barely post undeleted according to these guidelines and the amount of insults flying around

Weird

Well they are a bunch of so and so.

Apparently it's perfectly acceptable to insult me and reduce/erase my biology by calling me a uterus haver, a pregnant person and my vagina a front hole, etc but you can't call out/damn the political party sanctioning mass brainwashing, by pointing out their dimwittedness in doing so. 🤷‍♀️

MarshaBradyo · 28/05/2022 19:56

Basketet · 28/05/2022 19:54

Well they are a bunch of so and so.

Apparently it's perfectly acceptable to insult me and reduce/erase my biology by calling me a uterus haver, a pregnant person and my vagina a front hole, etc but you can't call out/damn the political party sanctioning mass brainwashing, by pointing out their dimwittedness in doing so. 🤷‍♀️

I agree

but it’s odd how this site is practically powered by calling Tories every expletive going but one post re Labour and it’s deleted

SlightlyGeordieJohn · 28/05/2022 19:56

Basketet · 28/05/2022 19:39

Let me reword it.

I wonder how aware Keir Starmer is that Labour are losing a huge demographic of their would be electorate due to their support for this insidious ideology?

A high ranking Labour politician spouting such utter clap-trap is an indictment of the party; and this cult hellbent on erasing me/women.

There are many in Labour who put “purity of mission” ahead of being elected and so being
able to effect change.

I’d not had Keir as being in that camp.

PronounssheRa · 28/05/2022 19:58

Snoozer11 · 28/05/2022 12:04

She only ever seems to care about issues that affect her.

There is, I think, a lot of truth in this.

Stella's woeful webchat here was supposed to be about what could be done to encourage more women into politics.

Yes, there were questions about what they meant by women, but there were also questions about misogyny in politics, the abuse faced by Rosie Duffield and joanna cherry.

It struck me Stella didn't want to talk about any of those issues, she was just here to drum up support for her this mums votes campaign.

She wasn't here to listen or engage.

FOJN · 28/05/2022 20:01

The way Stella conducts herself on line is disgraceful but nothing justifies the misogynistic abuse she has received from some people. If only she could make the connection between her sex and the abuse.

WhereAreWeNow · 28/05/2022 20:07

I'm actually embarrassed for Creasy now. She's really doubling down. Quote tweeting JKR's tweet about luxury beliefs and saying she presumes JKR is talking about her is just the height of narcissism.

I've always voted Labour. I so want to get rid of this government at the next election. But MPs like Stella just make me despair. I'm seriously thinking about not voting at the next election. It's such a sorry state of affairs.

Even if Stella believes this nonsense - and I don't think she does, she's not daft - how can she not see that it's electoral suicide? It's doing so much damage to the Labour Party. I know lots of people who live in Stella's constituency who tell me they despair. Some of them have tried to discuss this issue with her in the past but she just wouldn't listen.

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ResisterRex · 28/05/2022 20:09

*Stella's woeful webchat here was supposed to be about what could be done to encourage more women into politics.

Yes, there were questions about what they meant by women, but there were also questions about misogyny in politics, the abuse faced by Rosie Duffield and joanna cherry.

It struck me Stella didn't want to talk about any of those issues, she was just here to drum up support for her this mums votes campaign.

She wasn't here to listen or engage.*

Precisely. It was about her and the vacuous campaign. She was showboating. What's even happened to the campaign? Did they discover we can hold a pencil and do our bestest Baldrick X without help?!

Forgotthebins · 28/05/2022 20:58

The point @Floisme makes is true - next time Starmer tries to square the circle I will just think of Stella Creasey saying that words such as woman and female have no fixed meanings. It’s all just a JCR debating game to them. This is no good. I have been postponing this, but I will now finally have to leave the Labour Party. Words have to mean something, material reality has to count for something.

Boiledbeetle · 28/05/2022 21:05

@Forgotthebins the email i sent earlier to Stella and Kier actually contained the words " I am done"

I've given them so so much leeway over the last few years, but Stella today on the back of following Allisons trial this last month pfffffft!

I just can't do it any more I can no longer support the only party I have ever been a member of.

I'm absolutely devastated to be honest.

littlbrowndog · 28/05/2022 21:14

Och don’t be boiled. They don’t like women and girls. Sack em off only thing to do

same as snp.
sack em off they never knew you and they don’t care for you or any women

sack em off

secular111 · 28/05/2022 21:18

Beyond the hothouses of Twitter and even Mumsnet, Creasy is coming seriously unstuck.

Take a look at the Roll on Friday law forums with a thread about 'Stella Creasy is gr8 isn’t she?' whereupon it becomes immediately obvious that, other than the OP, the subscribers absolutely don't reckon she's 'gr8'. Indeed Creasy pretty much gets a universal panning. And there's one comment (from 'Lucy van Pelt') which encapsulates just why Labour hasn't been able to take a commanding lead in the polls against a hopeless government.

I heard someone say, "If you think that women have penises, I won't believe a single word you say about anything else. Because if you will lie about something so obvious, I will assume you lie about everything."

That just about sums it up for me.

People saying the sort of stupid, dangerous shit Labour are saying about this issue should not be anywhere near power. I would rather stick with Boris Johnson.