Non-binary debate in Westminster

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On now. I don’t know who this guy is who is speaking but he’s just said, “It ain’t fair and it’s not right” and he is a LEGEND.

Watch and comment!

Freer turns to sport. Government is clear that sporting bodies can decide their own rules.

Sport now. Cripes, they're running through every related tangent.

gay footballers.

WHAT ABOUT NONBINARIES? Actually feeling a bit sorry for them, now.

For some reason Freer is on gay men in professional football now. Mystifying!

Me too. Didn’t 100,000 people sign the petition to get Freer to chat on about nearly everything else because he hasn’t got a clue about their actual concerns?

'It's been a good debate'

Crikey.

It's been an hour and a half of fact-free tangential waffle and pish.

One of them needs to refer to Gluck's research on eunuch identities and the eunuch archive website that WPATH has apparently drawn evidence from.

(It's a written porn website.)

All done. There we go. Off you pop.

With a great deal of paedophilic writing.

Well, that was a wasted opportunity. Miriam Cates was excellent as ever, I feel she's wasted on debates like this, though.

That was supposed to discuss legal representation of non-binary people - nothing I saw even came close. If I was non-binary (which I am, on Wednesdays) I'd be quite pissed off.

I think Freer is just treading water in his role in Trade, knowing that if Labour get into power, gender self-ID will be brought in anyway. He knows he won’t be able to do it with a Tory government.

What do they imagine will be achieved by introducing laws that deny reality? There isn't a third sex and never will be. You might as well pass a law declaring the earth is a cube. Have a unanimous vote, it still won't be true.

Ah my day is Thursdays. Though can vary depending on pollen count.

Oh, phone calls. I am just catching up.

Understanding roles can't blody happen if you cannot define 'it'.

What is NON BINARY FFS!?

And we pay for that because some fdaft sods got a petition...

Next week the Grand National Committee needs to allow unicorns

And a non-binary passport would have to be accepted by every other country in the world to be useful! Good luck with that.

You might as well pass a law declaring the earth is a cube.

Don't give these people ideas.

Not too much forward-thinking going on about going on holidays over-seas. Or working abroad for charities say, to support Ukrainian refugees in Poland.

I’m happy for people to describe their ‘gender identity’ as non-binary. I see no reason for that to have anything to do with their passport. Passports are an identification document; nothing unverifiable should be on there.

Most of the debate doesn't even have anything to do with non-binary recognition and is entirely about the usual grievances towards trans women.

‘Most of the debate doesn't even have anything to do with non-binary recognition and is entirely about the usual grievances towards trans women.’

The two are connected, obviously. The complexities in law thrown up by the GRA should not be furthered by more foolish legislation.

As an erstwhile Labour supporter, I am sorry to say Annaliese Dodds was by far the weakest speaker.

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I am reminded of a clip years ago, before I knew about where a young woman who identified as non binary gave an impassioned speech to Obama.

Who paused and gathered his thoughts ally before replying in a slightly bemused way.

That always struck me as at the time I was conditioned to believe in #be kind to these people and didn't really understand what it was all about. I was surprised by his reaction which I thought would be more serious (I don't remember his diplomatic response.)

So I do believe for some of these politicians they really haven't and effing jeffing clue what they're actually debating.

Others do. And some do but can't admit it due to the party line.