A transwoman feeding their new born baby with their own milk..

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A website has said they have lost many followers with supporting this.

I just don’t understand why this is being promoted. If men in general were able to breastfeed children, why is this not being encouraged among married couples? Im sure plenty of men would be willing to step up and share breastfeeding with their partner.

It can’t be healthy for a baby to be fed this way, as surely the transwoman would be taking multiple type of hormones in order to remain transitioned?

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Until you reach the stage of acknowledging the fact that transwomen are still (and always will be) biologically male, there is no point in discussing the ridiculous notion of Males successfully breastfeeding.

You want to call it milk. Under what circumstances would the substance we are discussing be called ‘milk’? Because it seems to be a substance discharged from a nipple? Or shall we focus on the nutritional value because we are discussing feeding infants?

Don't you think it's a little ridiculous to insist that because one poster causally mentioned their husband would do this (not that they've tried, are seriously considering it etc) it is now a mans issue and not a transwomans?

Do you seriously think they'll be an appetite for men (not transwoman) to start taking female hormones so they can breastfeed? As I said, if that changes then yes of course it would become a issue around men and not just transwoman.
But right now it isn't and it seems like just another way to insist that transwoman must be referred to as men.

Men have always been able to breastfeed. They have the same mammary glands as women.

If the gland is repeatedly stimulated then it will eventually lactate. In the Aka tribe in the Congo men will feed babies.

The trans issue is a side one on this thread (except in so far as it reveals the huge stigma still around).

Sigh.

I agree transwoman are biologically male.

Again (for the third time now?), there seems to be a real agenda to ascribe quotes to me that I've never said to derail things.

I don't think this is the board for me when you repeatedly misinterpret what I say to try and cause an argument and derail.

No one but you and a few other posters are attempting to derail this thread.

Have I misinterpreted your posts about how transphobic this thread is and by extension the posters on it who are rejecting this medical intervention?

Over on Twitter people saying what you've just said about that stranger article are being described as transphobic.

Good so we agree that whether we are discussing transwomen or men the glaring issues are the same as they are both biologically male.

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How is contributing evidence based points to the discussion derailing?

Indeed, why is anything that is not in agreement with your views considering derailing? I think this is why the thread gets called an echo chamber.

Yes. We know about the tribe. I also believe I have seen anthropologists saying that those males are not lactating but suckling the child for comfort.

Happy to read your evidence to the contrary though.

This was my post.

All of it ignored, little excerpts taken out and twisted into things I've never said.

It's bizzare.

Ascribing this narrative to all transwoman, such as a the person in this thread, is what is transphobic. This includes linking quotes to her which are from some other person.

That might have been me. I was indeed mixing up two different people.

However, after the last time this was discussed on here, I read so many narratives from transwomen saying they were trying to lactate because it was turning them on, that is indeed the motivation I would describe to a male individual doing this. You've only got to read what they actually say, along with the people who encourage them, to see that the babies' health is nowhere.

Do people really not know that there are numerous websites devoted to males trying to lactate. They are perfectly upfront about their motivation. It's not exactly a secret.

That is hilarious. So we are told hardly any transitioned males would do this, but at the same time we cannot take an anecdotal post about a male wishing to do this if it was an option.

Either way, please explain what the difference is? Why is this to be a transitioned male issue and not a male sex class issue? Why should one subgroup be able to do this?

First result on a Google search -

my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/8330-breast-anatomy#:~:text=Males%20have%20breasts%2C%20too.,ducts%20and%20no%20glandular%20tissue.

Conclusion? No. They don't have the same mammary glands as women.

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What a load of tosh.
Men in that tribe do not feed the babies, they let them suckle not feed, nothing actually comes out. It's just a convenient dummy.

This was my post.

yes. I read it. You brought up issues already discussed on the thread about the difficulties in breastfeeding. You posed a question which I answered.

You then went on to discuss the transphobia on the thread. After other posters had posted similar accusations of transphobia and echo chambers.

Perhaps you were not aware of the specific discussion guidelines here on this particular board. Transphobia is quickly deleted. So do report anything you find transphobic.

Where are these narratives from @Datun ?

IMO, most people are average, and these goes for transwoman too.

I think it is far more likely someone transisitions because they are unhappy with their gender, than as a sexual fetish. I also think it is far more likely a transwoman would want to breastfeed as this is something that is often part of being a woman & mother, rather than because they are a pedophile.

If you were happy to share the narratives/data you have read then that would be really helpful - as many posters come on here and say - I am open to having my mind changed. I do not have evidence that suggests this currently, but if you do then please share!

How is contributing evidence based points to the discussion derailing?

sorry? Did I miss the evidence and the links? I will go back and check.

How is contributing evidence based points to the discussion derailing?

You accused other people of derailing. That's not an "evidence based point", it's your opinion.

If someone is a transwoman, it is crap to insist on referring to them as a man.

It's your ideology, not mine. The biological reality trumps personal gender identity for me, every time.

Indeed, why is anything that is not in agreement with your views considering derailing? I think this is why the thread gets called an echo chamber.

Because we are now dealing with your declarations of transphobia and not discussing any other points. Or do I have a different interpretation of derailing too?

Exactly. Maybe in another scenario you could argue TW are separate to men. Here there is absolutely ZERO difference. We're talkings about male bodies.

We see the words 'echo chamber' thrown a lot on this board. This tends to be by posters who lack the evidence to back up claims or the critical thinking to evaluate why the evidence which should back up their argument doesn't exist. A journal article/research paper etc etc which shows the composition of the milk secreted by males who have been induced to produce milk showing that it is comparable to breast milk produced by females should be able to blow many of the arguments against it out of the water surely? If no such research exists, why?

This. Let's have it.

Try reddit. Or just Google it. Lactation fantasies.

Plus all the times we've heard about transwomen who can menstruate, a long thread on here about prosthetic pregnancy bumps, the transwoman on here talking about uterus implants, and of course, that egregious tw who wanted to simulate a stillbirth.

And I don't think it's necessarily pedophilia.

I think it is far more likely someone transisitions because they are unhappy with their gender, than as a sexual fetish.

You can think what you want. Try doing a search on Twitter for 'ladydick' and it might just change your mind.

It is not exactly a secret is it? I mean, one that gets repeatedly deleted on here because they want it under the radar, Denton style, but you are free to do some research on this, should you wish to.